Has anyone had good luck using Hypericum for Marek's?

The picture you showed is classic Marak's. If you necropsy him you should find the tendons in the knees will be rough and feel like sandpaper almost. He could have white spots behind his eyes. There could be spots on his internal organs also.
I know it sounds gross but that is the only way to tell for sure.
It does look like Marek's I think so too. He seriously just stood up and he hasn't done that in two days, the heat lamp or vitamins must be helping? If and when he passes I'll have his body tested . That's creepy so I guess you ship the dead body to the necropsy place that does that. This poultry vet at the university has been emailing me all week wanting updates...
 
:hugs OK well that at least makes me feel more normal :frow:lol:
Seriously though, you're doing a good job trying to help him, I truly hope it turns out to be something other than Mareks, but if it is - well that too can be managed. Best of luck!
Thank you so much! Yeah, I've cried two days straight over a rooster that attacks me (he seems to really like me now and I'm shocked) I'm glad I made you feel more normal because I was starting to wonder about myself lol. I can't help it, I'm such an animal lover that is ridiculous :he
 
It does look like Marek's I think so too. He seriously just stood up and he hasn't done that in two days, the heat lamp or vitamins must be helping? If and when he passes I'll have his body tested . That's creepy so I guess you ship the dead body to the necropsy place that does that. This poultry vet at the university has been emailing me all week wanting updates...

I took the first one I had a necropsy done on to the University Poultry center. I had to pay $75 bucks for it. BUT they let me watch and I learned a lot about doing my own. I do them myself now, if I do them at all. I have learned a lot from them about Marak's. With as many people as there are raising birds now, the virus is every where, it blows in on dust and leafs, wild birds carry the virus and so forth.

I simply vaccinate all my chicks upon hatching. It is expensive but it works for me. A bottle of vaccine is around 40 bucks with postage. The vaccine is a turkey herpes virus, closely related but not the same as a live vaccine from Marak's virus.

Think of is like Cow Pox ( the old stories of dairy maids not getting small pox) and small pox. Cow pox is close enough related to fight small pox, same with turkey herpes and the Herpes that causes Maraks.

It is not a perfect vaccine, some may get the disease, I have not had one get it to the point I notice it or they die.

Marak's has been around (identified) since the early 1900's I want to say 1904 or 06...somewhere around then.

It has mutated several times since then, as I recall 4 times since 1970's. At this point the vaccine still works, the mutations have not stopped that yet. Some will tell you vaccinating spreads the disease. I do not buy this. Yes, some birds will live and shed a few cells, but I hardly call that spreading the disease when it travels so far on wild birds, wind etc....

Everyone has to make their own minds up, I have chosen to vaccinate mine.
 
I took the first one I had a necropsy done on to the University Poultry center. I had to pay $75 bucks for it. BUT they let me watch and I learned a lot about doing my own. I do them myself now, if I do them at all. I have learned a lot from them about Marak's. With as many people as there are raising birds now, the virus is every where, it blows in on dust and leafs, wild birds carry the virus and so forth.

I simply vaccinate all my chicks upon hatching. It is expensive but it works for me. A bottle of vaccine is around 40 bucks with postage. The vaccine is a turkey herpes virus, closely related but not the same as a live vaccine from Marak's virus.

Think of is like Cow Pox ( the old stories of dairy maids not getting small pox) and small pox. Cow pox is close enough related to fight small pox, same with turkey herpes and the Herpes that causes Maraks.

It is not a perfect vaccine, some may get the disease, I have not had one get it to the point I notice it or they die.

Marak's has been around (identified) since the early 1900's I want to say 1904 or 06...somewhere around then.

It has mutated several times since then, as I recall 4 times since 1970's. At this point the vaccine still works, the mutations have not stopped that yet. Some will tell you vaccinating spreads the disease. I do not buy this. Yes, some birds will live and shed a few cells, but I hardly call that spreading the disease when it travels so far on wild birds, wind etc....

Everyone has to make their own minds up, I have chosen to vaccinate mine.
So are you saying that you never had a chicken show signs this long, Like my rooster is doing? They just seem to pass away fast before you knew they were sick? I know, I seen mixed thoughts on the Marek's vaccines, I hate reading mixed feelings on something. But Ive made up my mind I'll definitely vaccinate. I've always feared Marek's , but knew very little about it. Of course it happened to me my worst chicken fear ugh....That's interesting information! Thank you!
 
So are you saying that you never had a chicken show signs this long, Like my rooster is doing? They just seem to pass away fast before you knew they were sick? I know, I seen mixed thoughts on the Marek's vaccines, I hate reading mixed feelings on something. But Ive made up my mind I'll definitely vaccinate. I've always feared Marek's , but knew very little about it. Of course it happened to me my worst chicken fear ugh....That's interesting information! Thank you!

If I have had one show signs as long as yours it was a long time ago. I now just dispatch them if I suspect Marak's.. But I have very little marak's because I vaccinate. It is only the rare bird I buy somewhere else and bring here or a chick I somehow missed with the vaccine.

I split the vaccine up into 4 batches (about 250 doses each) it helps stretch my dollars. I split the waver (dry vaccine) and mix the liquid in in a separate bottle to not contaminate it. Seems to work, but I know the Vets would go nuts thinking I split it,,,,Cheapness rules now and then,
 
If I have had one show signs as long as yours it was a long time ago. I now just dispatch them if I suspect Marak's.. But I have very little marak's because I vaccinate. It is only the rare bird I buy somewhere else and bring here or a chick I somehow missed with the vaccine.

I split the vaccine up into 4 batches (about 250 doses each) it helps stretch my dollars. I split the waver (dry vaccine) and mix the liquid in in a separate bottle to not contaminate it. Seems to work, but I know the Vets would go nuts thinking I split it,,,,Cheapness rules now and then,
some people say you got to burn your coop down and rebuild a different area? Even burn the chickens body, that seems extreme! I will make the hatcheiers do that, I'm a very small flock owner so it shouldn't be to expensive for me.
 
some people say you got to burn your coop down and rebuild a different area? Even burn the chickens body, that seems extreme! I will make the hatcheiers do that, I'm a very small flock owner so it shouldn't be to expensive for me.

Even if you did all that, what is to stop the virus from traveling back to your new flock on the feet of a pigeon or tweety bird?
 
How is it he can move his legs from a laying down position and somehow move spot to spot . I thought if something is paralyzed it's not able to move anything?
Marek's paralysis is somewhat different to what you might expect. It can just be a weakness where the bird can operate the limb or muscle but it takes a lot of concentration or effort, or the bird can move the limb but has no sensory feedback from it so they don't know if they are putting any pressure on the ground with a leg for instance and as a result they push harder than necessary or it may cause a muscle to extend or another to contract causing a twisting of the neck or tail as in wry neck or wry tail. Sometimes you do get what you or I would consider paralysis where a limb is motionless but more often it is a weakness which makes them appear uncoordinated or drunk. It can be very frustrating and frightening for them not to be able to coordinate their limbs all of a sudden, as that makes them very vulnerable.

Are you saying that you had birds afflicted with Marek's that recovered and no longer suffered from the disease.
I have had several birds recover from an outbreak of neurological Marek's but they always have the disease and be at risk of future attacks. It helps to think of Marek's like the cold sore virus in humans.... both are Herpes viruses. It has dormant phases and outbreaks. During the dormant phases you cannot tell who has the disease and who doesn't and they only actively shed the virus whilst they are symptomatic. We don't all have outbreaks of cold sores at the same time. Some things will be more likely to trigger an outbreak than others but even exposed to the same triggers, some people will have an outbreak and others won't. Unfortunately the Marek's virus in chickens is much more debilitating than the cold sore virus for us. I have had a couple of birds recover from 2 outbreaks of Marek's. Some do not make a full recovery but retain a slight limp or twist. I have had birds fully recover from an initial outbreak of neurological Marek's in a matter of a couple of days. Secondary attacks are usually more prolonged and I have had a few that took over 2 months of supportive care but returned to holding their own in the flock and free ranging after that.
I try not to worry about it too much these days and I certainly see less cases of it than during the first couple of years. I broody raised 46 unvaccinated chicks in 2016 and lost 3 to it and had 2 recover. I didn't raise any chicks last year (needed to get the chicken matchs in check and downsize) but of the 7 chicks I raised this summer I haven't seen any symptoms so far. I did however have a couple of older birds become symptomatic in late winter. One recovered and broody reared chicks a few months later..... so far those chicks are fine as mentioned above and are 6 months old. The other sadly went downhill and died from a secondary respiratory infection.

It is entirely possible that this rooster has been carrying the virus from being a chick and perhaps recovered from an earlier outbreak when he was young before he turned up at the OP's home and it has remained dormant in his system until now when he is suffering a second outbreak.
 
That's a good way to look at it.
I must say that after all this time, I've never had a case of it. It is my understanding that we should all expect the virus to be present everywhere. If that's the case then there are lots of birds that are immune. I've never had a vaccinated bird.
 

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