Hatching ethics questions...just wondering.

[new 2 pfowl]

I agree with you LilZoo, it is difficult (well, impossible) to imagine who might hatch peas (or anything) if they knew they might have to (or decide to) kill them. There was a previous thread here that touched on breeders selling healthy, beautiful birds to taxidermists, which was quite a shock to me.

However, people have different views about animals, and some people look at peas as a business venture, not as "pets."
But I can only know how I see things, I can't see from someone else's perspective.
I guess that's why I started this thread, because I am interested in other peapeople's thoughts.
After all, just about everyone on this forum has a lot more experience than I do with peas.

 

[NateinFL]

I agree with you LilZoo, it is difficult (well, impossible) to imagine who might hatch peas (or anything) if they knew they might have to (or decide to) kill them. There was a previous thread here that touched on breeders selling healthy, beautiful birds to taxidermists, which was quite a shock to me.

However, people have different views about animals, and some people look at peas as a business venture, not as "pets."

I don't think anybody hatches peas with the intent to kill them.

To cull and kill are two entirely different things. Culling is the process of removing an animal from the herd/flock due to undesired traits. Oftentimes the culled animal ends up as food, but with peafowl it is a bit different as most breeders will sell them or take them to auction. I don't see someone that likes peafowl taking one out back and killing it because it hatched the wrong color.

Personally, my peas are just pets to me and I don't rely on them as a source of income or I would be homeless. It's just a hobby and what a fun one it has turned out to be. Had a bad day? Go get a big blanket and some treats and lay down in the backyard with the peafowl and enjoy what Mother Nature has to offer. That's what I do

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[fancyfowl4ever]

My breeders are pets, their offspring has a chance to be sold by first snow then in the freezer they go, my boss(taxidermist) is always happy get a skin or two if I bother to keep a male or two for a few years to colour out.

One has to remember they were the main table bird in India before the chicken came along, and still they are favored cause they grow bigger and quicker then chickens do(other then meat hybrids).

Peas are still pheasants, and pheasant that dont sell get eaten at our house.

 

[Lil Zoo]

I agree with you LilZoo, it is difficult (well, impossible) to imagine who might hatch peas (or anything) if they knew they might have to (or decide to) kill them. There was a previous thread here that touched on breeders selling healthy, beautiful birds to taxidermists, which was quite a shock to me.

However, people have different views about animals, and some people look at peas as a business venture, not as "pets."
But I can only know how I see things, I can't see from someone else's perspective.
I guess that's why I started this thread, because I am interested in other peapeople's thoughts.
After all, just about everyone on this forum has a lot more experience than I do with peas.

I'm new to. I suspect many of us wouldn't have peacocks if not for the business adventurous. I suspect we wouldn't be looking at anything but the original three breeds if it wasn't for the business adventurous. I would say anyone who sells a few or many is it not a business. I think many of us wouldn't know what to do with our pets if it wasn't for the business adventurous. There experience has probably saved a lot of pets on here. I've been to peafowl farms or breeders and seen the most beautiful birds in very clean spacious pens. Like everything I am sure there are some that are not. Just because they are pets doesn't always mean they are well cared for. How many people buy a cute puppy and when it becomes a dog and requires time and care they should of bought a toy puppy? Some of my biggest fights with my children and grandchildren has been about not doing their chores. No matter what the animal is it likes a regular meal, clean cool water and clean place to sleep, just as a human does. I guess this is a sore topic today because this morning in our 100 degree weather my granddaughter looks at the water half full thinks that is good enough.

JMO but I hate to see any animal killed and stuffed for sport, but sadly if you go to sporting equipment stores, lodges etc you see a lot of it.

I guess I raise chickens some our my baby pets and sadly others are to feed my family. Some consider that wrong. I myself to date have never been able to kill one, I have to have someone else do it. Every animal, bird or reptile has the capability of being a persons pet. My grandson has a pet snake, sorry but if I see a snake I plan not to see it again.

 

[Yoda]

I don't think anybody hatches peas with the intent to kill them.

To cull and kill are two entirely different things. Culling is the process of removing an animal from the herd/flock due to undesired traits. Oftentimes the culled animal ends up as food, but with peafowl it is a bit different as most breeders will sell them or take them to auction. I don't see someone that likes peafowl taking one out back and killing it because it hatched the wrong color.

Personally, my peas are just pets to me and I don't rely on them as a source of income or I would be homeless. It's just a hobby and what a fun one it has turned out to be. Had a bad day? Go get a big blanket and some treats and lay down in the backyard with the peafowl and enjoy what Mother Nature has to offer. That's what I do

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Here is the meaning of cull~

cull
v cull [kal]
1 to gather or collect.
2 to select and kill (surplus animals) They are culling the kangaroos.
n
an act of killing surplus animals.

As you can see as the previous post stated he meant to kill them not bring them to an auction.

I have the land and currently have 31 peafowl 14 of which are a year old or less. I do not free range as there are several hawks and my 5 dogs which roam the acres. Of the 5, 3 are pointers which are bird dogs. This year I hatched 4 peas so far. These were the test eggs to test fertility. This year I have been selling the eggs. I will do it again next year LOL. People need to know what the limits are? Contact your town hall and find out what is needed to have peafowl. Most will tell you that you can have hens but no males. How much land do you have, without room for them why get them. As for raising them plenty of info on this forum. Most of us try to answer the questions to the best of our knowledge. I sold eggs and I am always asking myself - wonder what they (color) hatched and what didn't?

 

[Yoda]

My breeders are pets, their offspring has a chance to be sold by first snow then in the freezer they go, my boss(taxidermist) is always happy get a skin or two if I bother to keep a male or two for a few years to colour out.

One has to remember they were the main table bird in India before the chicken came along, and still they are favored cause they grow bigger and quicker then chickens do(other then meat hybrids).

Peas are still pheasants, and pheasant that dont sell get eaten at our house.

I have a blind peacock and I will not kill it. My birds are here to live out his or her life for as long as they want. Well until they die LMAO! I will not kill them unless they are suffering. The blind one knows where his food and water is and has no problem getting around. I just took the time to teach him how to adapt. When he hears me he comes over to me slowly so he don't walk into anything. I could never kill them for me to eat. If I want chicken I will buy it at the store. My grandmother is 93 and store bought chicken hasn't hurt her yet

 

[Lil Zoo]

I have a blind peacock and I will not kill it. My birds are here to live out his or her life for as long as they want. Well until they die LMAO! I will not kill them unless they are suffering. The blind one knows where his food and water is and has no problem getting around. I just took the time to teach him how to adapt. When he hears me he comes over to me slowly so he don't walk into anything. I could never kill them for me to eat. If I want chicken I will buy it at the store. My grandmother is 93 and store bought chicken hasn't hurt her yet

I bought my peacocks for the beauty. Thur this forum our family is now thinking of raising some to sell, I don't think that is wrong. If one is born handicapped or becomes handicapped it will be taken care of it, as we take care of our handicapped grandson. I like you would not kill a peacock unless it was suffering. I would hope no one would cull me because I am loosing my sight, I too will adapt. I simply do not believe anyone would cull peacocks, in their back yard just because they didn't get a color they wanted or had to many to take care of when there are means to sell them and the eggs. My understanding of the word cull is to kill for no purpose but to eliminate, an auction is to sell.
I don't have a problem with buying chicken, eggs, fruits or vegetables from a store if I need to . My family has chosen to live on an acreage and raise the majority of our own food to save money, and yes hopefully raise a healthier quality . Where ever the chicken or other food comes from it still gets on a table the same way, but I respect your choice. I simply can't see a peacock being raised for food or stuffing but apparently I see from a previous post maybe a few do. I do not like to see any thing killed for the sport of it with no purpose, or just to eliminate it, excluding snakes, mice or a predator that threatens my pets or livestock..
I don't believe someone else should tell me I'm wrong for caging my peacocks to keep them safe. Nor do I believe I should tell someone they are wrong for free ranging. I would love to free range them but have weighed the pros and cons for myself only, which is a risk factor of coyotes, raccoons and probably my Yorkshire Terriers. I can just as easily beautify my aviary go out throw down my blanket and enjoy them there. The public can also enjoy them from the road or a visit. If I choose to incubate and raise my new babies in my sewing room in a cage till I feel they are safe from the outside world that is also is my choice as to chancing a peahen not sitting or a predator killing them.

 

[zazouse]

As long as folks don't let things like this video happen i do not see any problem, this video breaks my heart, i am hoping someone just bought them and is transporting them but the video does show what can happen when you have more than the market can handle and you don't have a place for them.
To many folks put the cart before the horse cause they are impulsive and that usually ends in disaster

 

[peafowlmom]

I didn't like that video either. There is a large market for peafowl around here for their beauty. I lost 10 to fowl pox and they were so cute. I never would have dreamed my chicks would end that way.

 

[Lil Zoo]

As long as folks don't let things like this video happen i do not see any problem, this video breaks my heart, i am hoping someone just bought them and is transporting them but the video does show what can happen when you have more than the market can handle and you don't have a place for them.
To many folks put the cart before the horse cause they are impulsive and that usually ends in disaster

I do hope that this video is just taking a picture of what this person has to sell or they are in transport. I don't know if it had sound because I wasn't able to bring any sound up. Raising peacocks or any animal on top of each other is cruel. These birds did look healthy and I wouldn't think if they remained in that situation long they wouldn't be, so lets hope the case is this person confined them for a video. Maybe I have more hope in mankind to use their brain and common sense, but there is always the exception. I simply can not see why any one would have a problem selling their overstock as I sure am not finding it that easy to locate birds and as many know I have driven miles to get my peacocks. I also have been to two breeders that have large enclosed pens with surroundings that set off the beauty of their peafowl. I simply don't think people should be stereotyped as bad because they choose to cage their peacocks for their safety or business or their means of hatch. As for the fellow that eats his I would think a $75 to $200+ dollar peacock would be a rather expensive meal, thankfully would nauseate the rest of us.