Hatching peachicks

[zazouse]

Ya know i haven't been having the problem you all are this year, what i did notice is the ones i did have a problem with were the once that did not hatch early like the others that were sat at the same time and locked down at the same time, i also noticed that when the eggs started to hatch under the hens they still kept turning them, checked every few hours to see how that went and even thought they turned them pipped side down they turned them often enough that they zipped and hatched on their own, so i am thinking we may need to keep turning theses babies , i know it sounds crazy but my hens have been able to hatch every egg i gave them and left till the end, i have some eggs due to hatch soon that are under the hens and i am going to put them in the turner and let them hatch in it and see if this helps the not so early eggs hatch,

it may or may not be the answer but it is the only thing i can come up with that makes any since at all.

Anyone have any impute on this?

 

[casportpony]

I'm no expert, but I don't thin that it's possible for one that's upside down to reposition like that. I've also seen a few wrong end pips, but haven't had much luck with them surviving. For them to turn the yolk and everything else inside would also have to turn and I just can't see how it's possible. If just the embryo turned, there would be a twist at the umbilicus and that would keep the chick from absorbing the yolk. Again, not an expert, just don't think they can turn from one end to the other.






-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Ya know i haven't been having the problem you all are this year, what i did notice is the ones i did have a problem with were the once that did not hatch early like the others that were sat at the same time and locked down at the same time, i also noticed that when the eggs started to hatch under the hens they still kept turning them, checked every few hours to see how that went and even thought they turned them pipped side down they turned them often enough that they zipped and hatched on their own, so i am thinking we may need to keep turning theses babies , i know it sounds crazy but my hens have been able to hatch every egg i gave them and left till the end, i have some eggs due to hatch soon that are under the hens and i am going to put them in the turner and let them hatch in it and see if this helps the not so early eggs hatch,

it may or may not be the answer but it is the only thing i can come up with that makes any since at all.

Anyone have any impute on this?

Again, not and expert, but I have had my suspicions about malpostions being related to turning. Not talkin' about just artificially incubated eggs, but those under hens, too. I've noticed that when my ducks make nests in really tight places, like under the tractor mower, they can't really turn their eggs and those eggs I see a higher percentage of problems.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

This is a muscovy egg that was trying to pip at the wrong end as you can see from the discoloration of the shell. It's been my experience that very few of the ducklings can manage to pip on their own and will die in the shell unless helped.



This is what that egg looks like when candled.








And this is what it looked like after I pipped it.


-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Thought I should add that hatching muscovies has taught me a lot about how a properly positioned chick or duckling *should* look and how to recognize when they're in trouble. I'm not suggesting that anyone do anything different, except maybe take notes on what eggs look like when going to lockdown and when they've pipped internally... that should help one know when to help.

-Kathy

 

[msheets]

So Kathy, are you thinking they're not being turned enough? I turn twice a day with the occasional only once a day, depending on how my day is going...

 

[casportpony]

So Kathy, are you thinking they're not being turned enough? I turn twice a day with the occasional only once a day, depending on how my day is going...

The study I read said 96 times a day was ideal. Here is the link to that study, but unfortunetly it's not working right now.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=4659740

I also read something else about malpostions being a result of more than one problem, so it could be any number of things. Just found this:

"Eggs must be turned at least 4-6 times daily during the incubation period. Do not turn eggs during the last 3 days before hatching. The embryos are moving into hatching position and need no turning. Keep the incubator closed during hatching to maintain proper temperature and humidity. The air vents should be almost fully open during the latter stages of hatching."
Source: http://msucares.com/poultry/reproductions/poultry_environment.html

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Just had a thought... Have any of you ever noticed that the embryos don't always start growing in the same location? I've seen some at the top, some at the middle and some towards the bottom. Sure would be interesting to understand that better.

-Kathy

 

[zazouse]

The study I read said 96 times a day was ideal. Here is the link to that study, but unfortunetly it's not working right now.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=4659740

I also read something else about malpostions being a result of more than one problem, so it could be any number of things. Just found this:

"Eggs must be turned at least 4-6 times daily during the incubation period. Do not turn eggs during the last 3 days before hatching. The embryos are moving into hatching position and need no turning. Keep the incubator closed during hatching to maintain proper temperature and humidity. The air vents should be almost fully open during the latter stages of hatching."
Source: http://msucares.com/poultry/reproductions/poultry_environment.html

-Kathy

My turner turned over 300 times in a hatch period but i have never got a accurate count cause i turn it off when candling and it starts the count over but i am thinking i heard that beep every 35 minutes after a while i never heard it it became a part of my life that just pased by without notice

but this year i have used hens exclusively hadn't even turned on the bator only the hatcher and i have only had a couple malpo babies so far and a shrink wraped chick that didn't even pip, so i will be using broodies, that is all they do anyhow, some of them are 5 and 6 years old and may lay an egg or two but when they find a clutch of eggs they sit on them

which is one reason i can't ever keep the chicken count down they hatch out chicks all year long if i do not find the nest and nest are every where now

 

[casportpony]

My RCOM turns them every hour, but the Janoel 48 I have to turn them by hand because the pea eggs don't fit in the racks, so I had to put them on their sides, and being as lazy as I am, they aren't being turned enough.

-Kathy