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I totally agree! You're a wonderful genius!

Well thank you. It's about time someone noticed.
 
You people are all so opinionated. I just can't agree with not agreeing to agree. What if I didn't agree to agree? Would you agree with me then? Is it fun to agree to not agree about disagreeing? Huh? Is it? Why not? Well?

And what about the chickens? How are they supposed to feel?

You people are just obnoxious.

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But it's the way that those responses are worded that is the problem. There is nothing wrong with stating a different opinion, it's just when people come off with a 'holier than thou' attitude that people take offense.

Point taken.

Note to self: turn down blunt-o-meter.

Here's how I look at it: If I wanted to argue with fools the livelong day, there are no shortage of forums for that purpose.
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When you are the minority opinion, even though you may be right, you are vulnerable to the Gish Gallop--so much wrong stupidity concentrated into a single thread that there is no way to refute ALL of it. I mean, prove with scientific proof that the Tooth Fairy, flying unicorns and 2+2=5 ISN'T true, right? Where do you think that quarter came from, if not from the Tooth Fairy? My mommy told me the Tooth Fairy AND unicorns exist, and she wouldn't lie. And once I heard from a cousin's best friend's buddy who read it in a magazine that some crackpot somewhere proved that 2+2=5, so there you go. Because Google University is way better than actually studying a subject with intellectual rigor for decades, right?

So the real goal is to lead people to objective truth as a concept they can discern for themselves. E.g., Cousin's friend's buddy said that ducks sink in water. Well, we've got ducks, let's go check for ourselves, right? And that's a task that must be done with delicacy and tact rather than confrontation. If you say, "Dude, ducks float, here's a pic of my duck swimming, it's obvious and by the way you're a fool," then they are going to feel like jerks next time they're in a public park, right? And somehow that triggers a piece of the reptilian, anti-intellectual brain labeled "denial" and suddenly YOU'RE the bad guy who is somehow wrong because there MUST have been a duck that didn't float somewhere, once, and by gawd they will find it.

If you're very skeptical by nature, it's hard to understand people who are not. Generally, most people don't handle correction well, if it's not taught to them at a very early age.
 
Ah,Rosalind, thank you for that excellent post!

But it's not about proving people wrong. I don't care what other people believe. It is about being able to express an opposing opinion without being called names, hearing implications that you are clearly following a party line and not arriving at your own conclusions, and dealing with perfect strangers who are downright angry that you dare to hold the view that you do.

It perplexes me. Why does anyone care what someone else's opinion is?
 
What continues to astound me is when a person asks a direct question about something and then gets bent out of shape because someone points out something they may or may not be doing that is contributing to the problem. What on earth do they expect on a public forum with a zillion differing opinions on stuff!!?? If you don't want to hear everyone's opinion....don't ask the question!
 
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Oh Katy I have been blasted for exactly that! Ask a question and then get angry with me because you don't like my reply.
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Katy, that is one that sits wrong with me...

If you ask then be ready to accept the best and the worst response or do not bother asking.

And no *chanting in a trancelike voice* "We must all be one BYC mind, we must all agree on what to think and to say, the chickens rule"

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Thank you. I have found that if you are not in agreement with the majority , you are called negative.

And it is only the person who faces the crowd with head held high that has ever really gotten anywhere.

Like it or not, that is how it works in the world. To expect people to respect you and your opinions, simply because you exist, is your first mistake. You must always provide them with something to respect.

"Whether you think you can or can't - you are right" - - Henry Ford.
 
Well I'll get to the point, Most of the confrontations are about politics. There are other topics like butt busting that get very heated. We were even able to have a thread about who or who didn't believe in God and were able to keep it civil.

I can keep politics civil too, if the person I am debating will bother to get there info from somewhere besides sources that just outright lie. It is one thing for a source to express an opinion. In so many cases though the sources just flat out lie. Example: The government will euthanize you if you're too old and can't be fixed cheaply. The gov is going to force your kids to have swine flu shots. Numerous bills have been listed as going in to effect when they don't even have a sponsor. I would love to see someone use one of the fact checking sites out there. They are non-partisan. How many times have I seen a person reference a right wing website run by some guy from a mineshaft in Montana as "Read this, it's the TRUTH". I feel like running away before someone splashes some snake oil on me. I don't believe everything I read or hear on left wing sites. I actually tend to be a little left of center. Yet I quite often get accused of being a flaming liberal.

Please do some fact checking.

One other thing and this is JMO. The Constitution is a piece of paper that has words on it. Those words are open to interpretation. That is the reason we have a supreme court. As the Supreme Court changes so does the interpretation. That's why they say elections have consequences. Unlike the other 2 branches of government we have no control over the court. So unless you reside on the court, pleeease stop reciting what the constitution means to you. The only opinion that matters belongs to 9 people in Washington.
 
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