Hawk attacks

[JJMR794]

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2 WORDS---- GANDER GOOSE

 

[JJMR794]

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NO CATS DO NOT DETER HAWKS, INSTEAD YOU'RE JUST ADDING ANOTHER PREDATOR TO THE LIST

and hawks will also grab some cats to snack on too....

GOOD POINT AND QUITE TRUE, AS WELL AS BEING A FAVORITE FAST FOOD FOR COYOTES TOO. BUT I DOUBT KITTY WOULD BE AS GOOD OR BETTER RAPTOR BAIT AS THAT LIL BARKIN RAT (CHIHUAHUA ?SP)

 

[pringle]

If you can get some 1/4" wire and put it up it will prevent them and mostly any animal from getting at your quail.

 

[JJMR794]

"do quail stand still when a predator comes"

LOL--- NO ACTUALLY SINCE COTURNIX ARENT THE BRIGHTEST CRAYONS IN THE BOX, OR SHARPEST KNIVES IN THE DRAWER, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TENDANCY TO GO LOOK AT "THE BIG PRETTY BIRDIE" ~~~~ "OOOH! ISNT HE PRETTY?" ~~~ SNATCH!

SAD BUT TRUE... I HAVE SEEN MY OWN BIRDS IN WIRE 1/2 IN HARDWARE CLOTH PENS WATCH A HAWK LIGHT ON THE TOP OR SIDE OF THEIR CAGE AND WALK OVER CLOSER TO LOOK AT THE HAWK..... ALL THE WHILE SOME 20-30 YDS AWAY MY BOBS WHO ARE NOT IN ANY DANGER WHATSOEVER ARE EITHER DIGGING A TUNNEL THRU THE BACK WALL DIVIDER (3/4 IN PLYWOOD) IN THEIR PENS OR DOING FRANTIC PANIC- STRICKEN LAPS JUST SLIGHTLY SLOWER THAN BREAKING THE SOUND BARRIER AROUND THEIR PENS IN ABSOLUTE "SAVE ME!" TERROR.

ALSO OWLS WILL DO THE SAME AT NIGHT-- A LIL SOMETHIN' TO LOOK FORWARD TOO

THE ONLY WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE IS TIMING. NO DEAD QUAIL AT DAWN= NO OWL, DEAD QUAIL AT DUSK= HAWK. OR VISA VERSA, THEN WE THROW RACCOONS. POSSUMS, CATS, COYOTES AND ANY OTHER WOULD-BE PREDATORS IN THE MIX FOR GOOD MEASURE

 

[easttxchick]

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2 WORDS---- GANDER GOOSE

Really? Will a gander deter a hawk or actually attack them? If so, I may have to invest in one of those bad boys(and then buy myself a suit of armor to avoid injury by gander).

 

[centrarchid]

What kind of hawk involved?

 

[JJMR794]

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2 WORDS---- GANDER GOOSE

Really? Will a gander deter a hawk or actually attack them? If so, I may have to invest in one of those bad boys(and then buy myself a suit of armor to avoid injury by gander).

THE BEST GUARD DOGS SHORT OF A PYRENEES I HAVE EVER KNOWN (ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF WINGED PREDATORS) ARE EITHER A GANDER GOOSE OR BBB TURKEY TOM... THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THE GANDER WILL ACCEPT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AS NORMAL AND LEAVE YOU BE... THE TOM WILL NOT.

I HAD A TOM FOR MANY YEARS FREE RANGING HERE. THE ONLY REASON I TOLERATED HIS BELIGERANT BEHAVIOR TOWARDS HUMANS ( HE MADE A RABID PITBULL WITH A LONG STANDING HISTORY OF MENTAL ILLNESS AND BEHAVIORAL DEFICIENCIES LOOK TAME!) WAS FOR THE WATCH/ ATTACK DOG TENDANCIES HE ALWAYS DISPLAYED PROUDLY. PEAFOWL MAY AS WELL BUT I CANNOT STATE THAT FOR SURE AS I HAVE NOT KEPT ANY PERSONALLY, BUT DO KNOW OF FOLKS WHO HAVE THEM AND SEE PROTECTIVE BEHAVIORS EXHIBITED... ALSO SEE THEM ROAMING AROUND OFF THE PROPERTY... SO THEY MAY NOT BE AS MUCH USE? (HARD TO GUARD SOMETHING WHEN YOU ARENT THERE...) BOTH GEESE AND TURKEY TOMS ARE VERY DEFENSIVE OF TERRITORY AS WELL AS JUST BASICALLY NASTY TOWARDS ANY PREDATION THREATS THEY PERCIEVE. THE TOM REPEATED THWARTED BOTH HAWKS AND OWLS MULTIPLE TIMES ON AN ALMOST MONTHLY SCHEDULE. WHEN HAWKS WOULD COME IN AFTER BIRDS HE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO "MEET THEM 1/2 WAY"... SPURS UP! AND SUCCEEDED OCCAISIONALLY AT MORTALLY WOUNDING A FEW (LEMME TELL YA 1 OF FEW THINGS WORSE THAN DEALING WITH AN UNRULY TOM WITH AN ATTITUDE WAS DEALING WITH HIM AS HE REPEATED ATTACKED THE BODY OF A DEAD PREDATOR WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO REMOVE SAID BODY FROM THE AREA... LOTSA FUN! I RECOMMEND EVERYONE TRY IT AT LEAST ONCE

.. WELL NOT REALLY, MAYBE WE'LL KEEP THAT 1 FOR UNWANTED IN- LAWS OR SOLICITORS?

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IN THE OP'S CASE THEY STATE LG DOG ISNT AN OPTION... NEXT BEST THING? MR GOOSE!

 

[easttxchick]

Wow, JJMR794-Thanks for the information-that's really good to know. We have loads of hawks around here. Everything I've heard is that you NEVER cross a tom. Think maybe a gander is a safer way for me to go all the way around.

 

[Hoppelchen]

How about putting a second frame with wire mesh so that the hawk cannot reach into the cage? Not sure about 1/4" as another poster suggested, that can be torn too easily (but it's good againt mice)

I still think the water jet is a contender(you can pick them up for $70), if you can keep the quail dry whilst you score a hit, the hawk is likely to learn his lesson very quickly -- if people can train them to hunt, they can be trained to do other things too (within reason). I'd even go as far as setting up a proper 'hawk school' -- I'd set up a small cage especially with the right defenses and try to condition the birds that way and add some other recognizable token (for example, a big red dot that the birds will in future associate with this, so I can then use the dot elsewhere as hawk deterrent etc) -- why not ask on a falconer's forum for some tips on how hawks tick?

Btw, beekeepers with bear problems first teach the bears about the electric fences by hanging up bacon strategically so that the bear gets zapped by the fence. That fear is what keeps the bear out, not the fence. ;-)

For your entertainment: http://www.ted.com/talks/joshua_klein_on_the_intelligence_of_crows.html