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In oegb at least, what people are calling chocolate is actually dun. There is a chocolate gene, but as far as I know, it is only seen in orpingtons and seramas at this point. Dun is an incomplete dominant, as is blue. Self blue breeds totally different. Carl, correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Opal x Opal gives you 100% opal. I believe it breeds similiar to self blue. But carl will fill us in on it.
i know that... i have some fawn silver duckwings... hatched out some khaki pullets and cockerels... i'm going to pair them up to some black pullets and roo's i got from choice a while back... i know how dun breeds... just wasn't sure about opal... i heard it came out of blacks somehow...
btw, polish also have the choc gene...
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Gumbii,
When breeding two Opal birds directly that have had no recent addition of other varieties they will breed true. Ron made several crosses to try to determine what the base was with no luck.
I can tell you the color itself has been popping up as early as 1986 when it was first documented and culled out. I can also tell you it does appear in other fowl in other countries. In other breeds and countries it has always appeared from Self Blue and isabel (Porcelian)
It is recesive to Dominant white, based on Ron's matings.
It Produces Black Offspring when Breed to Self Blue
It Produces Black Offspring when breed to Black
When Crossed with BB red it produced Black, Brown Red and BB red.
The Above crosses and others were made by Ron,
I have only used 1 cross which was with Recessive white to improve Type and feather quality. For This cross I used a Dark Opal male with 5 generations of no crosses behind him and proven breeder producing nothing out of ordinary.
From that all the females had some color but were brighter white in plumage than truly desired, the Males were the same both had diluted leg color.
oic... kind of like mahogany for white... or... buff for white..? man i'm confused... let me get a genetics book...
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well... my roo and my hen are split for self blue... the off spring that i have hatched were great looking porcelains IMO... but the only one to hatch died... sucks... but i have one roo in the brooder that i will be breeding back into the mother... they're like... a couple of weeks old... not a lot of mottling yet... but i'll take pics as soon as i remember...
In oegb at least, what people are calling chocolate is actually dun. There is a chocolate gene, but as far as I know, it is only seen in orpingtons and seramas at this point. Dun is an incomplete dominant, as is blue. Self blue breeds totally different. Carl, correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Opal x Opal gives you 100% opal. I believe it breeds similiar to self blue. But carl will fill us in on it.
i know that... i have some fawn silver duckwings... hatched out some khaki pullets and cockerels... i'm going to pair them up to some black pullets and roo's i got from choice a while back... i know how dun breeds... just wasn't sure about opal... i heard it came out of blacks somehow...
btw, polish also have the choc gene...
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Gumbii,
When breeding two Opal birds directly that have had no recent addition of other varieties they will breed true. Ron made several crosses to try to determine what the base was with no luck.
I can tell you the color itself has been popping up as early as 1986 when it was first documented and culled out. I can also tell you it does appear in other fowl in other countries. In other breeds and countries it has always appeared from Self Blue and isabel (Porcelian)
It is recesive to Dominant white, based on Ron's matings.
It Produces Black Offspring when Breed to Self Blue
It Produces Black Offspring when breed to Black
When Crossed with BB red it produced Black, Brown Red and BB red.
The Above crosses and others were made by Ron,
I have only used 1 cross which was with Recessive white to improve Type and feather quality. For This cross I used a Dark Opal male with 5 generations of no crosses behind him and proven breeder producing nothing out of ordinary.
From that all the females had some color but were brighter white in plumage than truly desired, the Males were the same both had diluted leg color.
oic... kind of like mahogany for white... or... buff for white..? man i'm confused... let me get a genetics book...
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well... my roo and my hen are split for self blue... the off spring that i have hatched were great looking porcelains IMO... but the only one to hatch died... sucks... but i have one roo in the brooder that i will be breeding back into the mother... they're like... a couple of weeks old... not a lot of mottling yet... but i'll take pics as soon as i remember...
