Help a Newbie - Pics (poo included), Sick pullet - respiratory, wrinkled, red, peeling skin on under

Cooped Up Chick

In the Brooder
6 Years
Mar 18, 2013
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Oswego/Fulton area, NY
As a preface, I have had this hen and her 5 flock mates (3 pullets, 2 cockerels) for only 3 1/2 weeks. So I don't know them very well yet. Before these, I have been poultry-less for 11 plus years. The previous flock I raised from chicks (TSC) never had any illness, so I have no experience in that regard. Some of this may be very normal, perhaps molt... and I am just unaware, please educate me...

1) What type of bird , age and weight (does the chicken seem or feel lighter or thinner than the others.)

My pullet, Penny, is a Black Copper Marans, I don't know her age, just that she is supposed to be from sometime last year late summer or fall. Haven't had any eggs yet since bringing them home, though some (there were more that we didn't get) were starting to lay at the original home. She seems thin to me, not meaty in the breast like I would expect a dual purpose breed to be.

2) What is the behavior, exactly.

When she breathes, it sounds like wheezing (I picture asthma sounds). Her breathing is heavy, as in i can see her body rise and fall. She doesn't gape, her beak is slightly open sometimes, and wider when I have to catch her and she gets excited. She rests slightly more than the others do and moves around more slowly than them. Her posture seems a little hunched, but it might only look that way because her tail isn't up, it is drooping down. She eats and drinks. Her eyes are clear and I see no nasal discharge either. Comb and wattles are nice and red.

The skin and feathers, I don't know if it is related, but her feathers seem to be broken all along the breast bone underneath her, also the skin here is very wrinkled I wondered if it was dehydration? It seems to be peeling in sort of dry, almost scabby (but not exactly) areas. Also the skin is becoming reddened on her tummy. I say becoming, because I noticed today, when I hadn't before. Along the sides of her bare tummy the feathers appear broken off short. When I handle her for her shot etc. she seems to loose feathers pretty easy, always a few that float off (body feathers, not wing)

3) How long has the bird been exhibiting symptoms?

She has had this going on for almost the whole time since we got her, perhaps 2 1/2 - 3 weeks. Weather didn't allow being outside much with them when we first got them.

4) Are other birds exhibiting the same symptoms?

None of the other birds are visibly showing any symptoms.

5) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma.

No

6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.

The stress of being moved from her original home to our home.

7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.

She has been eating Layena, I also added some Calf Manna, and just this week started adding some Gamebird feed for the higher protein, as I learned that this breed requires a higher protein (that is also why I added the Calf Manna)

8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.

Yellowish/orangy, somewhat foamy sometimes, not watery, but not solid like a typical poultry poop. One link I found from here showed different poos, and the closest thing to hers was listed under the normal category.

9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?

From reading here I have started Tylan 50 - 0.5ml (cc) injected subcutaneously, alternating locations breast on either side, and back of neck/between wings. The first day she only got one dose (about 6 pm) because I bought it late in the day. The second day also only one dose (around 8:30 am) because I had a meeting in the evening that lasted well past dark. Third day two doses, (8:30 am & 5:30 pm), and today two doses (8:30 am & 5:30 pm). Plan has been to continue for 5 days.

10 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet?

I'm treating her myself.

11) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.

Penny's Comb, Eye & Wattles this afternoon.



Close up of her tummy, bone runs down the center of the bare patch.


A little more distant shot of her tummy.


yeah, poo...
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probably unrelated bare patch on back. Left side half way between her tail and neck. I figured it might be from the cockerels in her flock? It is old, the feathers are growing back, peeking out of the feather shaft about 1 1/2 inches maybe.



12) Describe the housing/bedding in use

They are in a tractor coop, until we get the big coop built, with free range in the day though they don't go far. The bedding is pine shavings from TSC, as you can see in the above pic.

I am happy to give any further information I can. Thanks for any help you can provide.

Lisa
 
I would consider deworming her and giving her some scrambled eggs or poultry vitamins after you finish with your other medication if it were me.

http://www.ca.uky.edu/poultryprofit...natomy_and_Physiology/Chapter3_digestive.html
bottom of link says yellow and foamy is coccidiosis (in older hens occurs with immunocompromised status or move to new soil where they aren't immune to that type of cocci).

Some vets will do a fecal test for cocci and worms for a small fee (bring poo only). False negatives are possible on the worms test. Worms can weaken a hen's immune system.

Perhaps her dry skin and poor feathering could be related to vitamin deficiency? If she does indeed have worms they do steal the nutrition right out from under the hen inside the intestine. I am not sure what is wrong but would address the possibility of worms, coccidiosis, and vitamin deficiency if she were my hen.

Treatment for coccidiosis is Corid (in cattle section of feed store), and what I do is use the 9.6% solution, and give 9.5 ml per gallon of drinking water for 5-7 days, mixing new solution daily. Don't give vitamins with Corid as it is a thiamine blocker. You should see improvement within 24 hours from my experience.

Dewormers are very hard on hens, and aren't approved for laying hens. The one poultry wormer out there is Wazine, which only kills large roundworms (and isn't approved for layers). Hence if you deworm your layer, it is off-label and most people toss eggs for at least two weeks, so do your research. You can look up valbazen, safeguard, etc. as there are many threads on BYC discussing worming if you are interested. The only alternative that is left is to let our layers just die from the worms, since they don't specify which medication to use for them- I worm mine twice a year since we have very wet soil here.

Oh, I just remembered reading that safeguard isn't good to use when the feathers are growing in, as it can lead to problems with the feathers.
 
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Thank you for the reply ChickensAreSweet, I appreciate the help. I see that about the poo in the link.... I'll try and refind the one I saw and compare. Does the skin in the pics look unusual to you or am I over concerned about that part? I will contact my vet and see if he will do a fecal for me as well.

One good note, I just came in from there, letting them out; and Penny has her tail up! First time in oh, a week anyway that it wasn't drooping down! She seems to be moving a bit more sprightly as well.
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Anyone else that has suggestions, or thoughts please chime in as well.

Lisa
 
Here are my thoughts.

Use Exprinex for worming. It's a pour on just like Advantage. I apply it at nigh in the dark with a head lamp using an eye dropper.




Dump the Calf Manna keep them all on just pelleted layer feed. If you can find Agway "Egg Producer" pellets try those. They are 21% protein.

I would separate her and dust everyone with Diatomaceous Earth making sure to get in cracks and crevices.

You could mix in some Cod Liver oil if you can find it. Though I suppose a bit of olive oil wouldn't hurt. Cod liver oil is hard to find and not cheap for me.

The poo looks ok to me.

Her comb and waddles lead me to believe she is no spring chicken.

I don't know how big your tractor is or how many birds you're housing in it. Perhaps they're over crowded? In either case I would make the changes for them all. Worm and dust and feed. Be sure water is clean and there is a lot of it.

I wish you well,

Rancher
 

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