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Help! Corid not working on coccidiosis! Whats wrong!?!!?!?!?!?

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by KingR0o5t3r, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. KingR0o5t3r

    KingR0o5t3r Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Help! I have lost two chickens to what i think is coccidiosis over the last month or two. The chickens affected are all between 4 and six months. One day they are very wobbly and off balance, and barely doing anything. By day two, they are just sitting alone on the ground, with their eyes closed, sometimes on one side, and their feet are curled up under them. They do not eat or drink. I have tried to stand them up, and them pretty much just fall over. By day three, they are dead. They do all have lice :/, but as far as I know, this is not life threatening. I have not seen any bloody poop. This certainly seems like coccidiosis, so I ordered Corid online. When it got here, I noticed another hen in the day one stage. I treated all of them, by putting a tsp in a gallon of water, which they drink through a poultry nipple. I thought she was still eating and drinking, and so I thought she would look better the next day. All the reviews say it works immediately, and I can’t really find anything about it not working. So I was surprised and angry and sad, when I found her in the day the day two phase the next day. I thought she might not have gotten any, so I redid the water, and then gave her about a third of a teaspoon of Corid. I pushed her beak in it, and she drank it. Now, day three, she looked like a typical day three stage: almost dead, only sign of life is miniscule movements upon being touched. Also, I noticed my rooster, about six months old, is looking wobbly but still active. I’m so frustrated that it’s not working. I have only seen negative effects since I started treatment! :( Im pretty upset because Im losing my birds and I cant do anything about it, and because apparently I wasted 25 bucks on this Corid. Please help! I have no idea whats happening, or what to do! Also, I don’t have a lot of time to deal with this, except on weekends, and I really can’t afford much. Especially not a visit to vet. Please! thankyou
     
  2. enola

    enola Overrun With Chickens

    Lice are a SERIOUS problem. Coccidia is an opportunistic illness.

    Lice can cause anemia in a very short period of time. The stress of anemia opens the door for coccidia. You need to
    AGGRESSIVELY treat both the lice and the coccidia.

    If you have any worms in your chickens you will be fighting an uphill battle.
     
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  3. ten chicks

    ten chicks Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Are you using Corid/Amprol 9.6% liquid,if so the dose is 2 tsp per gallon of water. They have to drink medicated water for it to work. Try adding warm medicated water to feed(so it resembles oatmeal)this way you have the added benefit of knowing they are in fact getting the medication. Do not give vitamins during treatment,they interfere with the ability of medication to work,give vitamins after treatment is complete. Corid(amprolium)works very fast,you should notice a difference in 24-48 hours,if they have an overload/outbreak ofCoccidiosis
     
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  4. loveourbirds

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    cocci is weird to deal with, but the corid should have taken care of it.

    most chickens will have caught any strains of cocci on your farm by 8 weeks of age, and became immune. however, if you have introduced any new chickens in the past few weeks it could have came from there.

    if you haven't introduced any new chickens, or moved your chickens recently; i would look towards other problems. check and make sure their mouths and nostrils are clear, possibly check and make sure no changes have been made in your feed (if you mix it).

    since you know you have problems with lice, i would treat for parasites. they can cause anemia, weakening the chicken's immune system. im not organic, i use ivomec pour on for parasites. it kills most internal and external parasites, requires 2 applications 10 days apart. if your afraid to go that strong, 7 dust is cheaper and works, but you may have to reapply it more often; it may also cause fertility issues (temporary). people who are organic typically swear by neem oil and wood ash. i have never used it, but it seems to be the chosen method. recent studies show DE may do more harm than good. DE also requires several more applications if its going to work, use your own discretion on DE.

    give some yogurt, or probiotic mix. and some vitamins and electrolytes or gatorade. if you use antibiotics start a broad spectrum a couple of days after this treatment.

    i am not an expert on illnesses, i can only speak for issues i have dealt with personally. someone may have better advice.
     
  5. Eggcessive

    Eggcessive Chicken Obsessed Premium Member

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    Symptoms of coccidiosis are sitting puffed up, lethargic, ruffled feathers, and diarrhea (sometimes bloody.) You may be dealing with a very bad strain of coccidia, or it is something else wrong. As Ten Chicks said they have to drink the Corid, but if it is a really bad strain or case they may be too weak. Lice don't usually kill chickens , but mites can. Curled feet can be a sign of vitamin deficiency, and some of your symptoms sound a little like Mareks disease. Check their crops first thing in the morning to make sure they are empty.I hope you can be sure what is going on.
     
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  7. chickengeorgeto

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    Loveour and eggcessive are both right. Coccidiossis is both an opportunistic as well as a universal disease of chickens. It is at the same time the simplest and the most complex poultry disease out there.

    Coccidiosis is the chicken disease that keeps on giving. I say this because there seems to be many sub-species of the coccidiosis organism and your chickens may fall victim to each and every species in turn. There is a vaccine against coccidiosis but it must be administered in the egg shell before the chick starts piping. The number of cocci sub species means that if you order just 3 or even 3,000 vaccinated chicks they will only be vaccinated against the most common species of coccidiosis, but maybe that is not the species that you are dealing with. Then if you give your vaccinated chicks "medicated" chick starter you just killed off the weakened coccidiosis organisms that you paid the hatchery to inoculate your chicks with, destroying the effectiveness of the vaccination. Test to detect coccidiosis are basically worthless because almost 100% of chickens have been exposed to, inoculated against, or presently have a low grade cocci infection, either that or they are getting one while you read this.

    The opportunistic nature of cocci comes into play because any disease that weakens your birds immune system may result in them developing a raging case of coccidiosis. Cocci is simple because it is basically an ameba that only infects your chickens' digestive track lining and causes minimal damage unless the infection or infestation gets out of hand. Another madding thing is that while they do their free range thing the chickens are picking up cocci organisms right and left. I say this because cocci is most often spread by ranging on moist ground and eating bugs, earth worms, and stuff of that nature that has recycled the cocci organism from the old chicken poo that bugs and earth worms love to eat.

    If you have experienced a long (or short for that matter) spell of warm and rather rainy weather, you can bet that you are going to soon be dealing with cocci issues. Good luck.
     
  8. Michael Apple

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    There are three common problems which cause anemic conditions in birds. Coccidiosis is only one of them. If you see lice like you mentioned, it is a problem. Lice aren't blood suckers like mites, but are still very irritating to the birds while chewing at them, causing stress, and if the body cannot replenish red blood cells fast enough, you have weak, sick birds. Intestinal worms also cause this condition. You treated for Coccidiosis and it didn't work. The right dosage for treatment of symptoms with Corid 9.6% is 2 tsp per gallon of water, and 1 teaspoon if you are using Corid 20% soluble powder. If the intestinal damage is done, you are too late. If you used too low a dosage, it won't combat the protozoa.

    These anemic type conditions call for first, treat for Cocci, then worms, and treat for external parasites like mites or lice, then supplement with vitamins and minerals. Make sure they are getting a balanced feed ration appropriate to their age.

    If you don't have much time to deal with this, like you said, and only have time on weekends to take care of the birds, you should probably find another hobby with inanimate objects. I'm not being harsh, I'm just telling you the truth. Taking proper care of animals require dedication and time. Even more so in the condition yours are in.
     
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  10. enola

    enola Overrun With Chickens

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