Help! Corid not working on coccidiosis! Whats wrong!?!!?!?!?!?

[KingR0o5t3r]

Thank you for all the replies. I will treat for parasites, I think I'll try that ivomec pour on stuff if I can find it. I will up the Corid dosage, and see what happens. I am starting to think it may be something else. I will look into all the diseases that were mentioned. And as far as the chickens this morning, the hen that was almost dead, has died. And now the rooster and another hen are looking very wobbly. It seems to be only affecting my younger chickens. Which does suggest cocci. But apparently being very off-balance, and curled feet aren't coccidiosis signs? and I haven't seen the bloody poop. IDK. ugh. so confusing. Thanks for the replies though.

 

[casportpony]

I don't think Ivomec works on feather lice, but poultry dust and 5% Sevin do.

Corid and Amprol Dosing Info

The severe outbreak dose (.024%) for Corid Powder is 1.5 teaspoons (4.536 grams) per gallon.
The severe outbreak dose (.024%) for Corid liquid is 2 teaspoon per gallon.

The moderate outbreak dose (.012%) for Corid Powder is 3/4 (2.268 grams) teaspoon per gallon.
The moderate outbreak dose (.012%) for Corid liquid is 1 teaspoon per gallon.

The 006% dose for Corid Powder is 1/3 teaspoon (1.134 grams) per gallon.
The 006% dose for Corid liquid is 1/2 teaspoon per gallon.

FDA recommendations:
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=013-149
"Chickens
Indications: For the treatment of coccidiosis.
Amount: Administer at the 0.012 percent level in drinking water as soon as coccidiosis is diagnosed and continue for 3 to 5 days (in severe outbreaks, give amprolium at the 0.024 percent level); continue with 0.006 percent amprolium-medicated water for an additional 1 to 2 weeks."

And this link has these instructions:
http://www.drugs.com/vet/amprol-9-6-solution-can.html
"Poultry - as Soon As Caecal Coccidiosis Is Diagnosed, Give 0.024% Amprolium In The Drinking Water For 5 To 7 Days. Continue The Treatment With 0.006% Amprolium Medicated Water For An Additional One To Two Weeks. No Other Source Of Drinking Water Should Be Available To The Birds During This Time."

More info here:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/818879/updated-corid-and-amprol-amprolium-dosing

 

[casportpony]

And the Corid water needs to be their only source of water and it should be made fresh daily.

-Kathy

 

[Michael Apple]

Thank you for all the replies. I will treat for parasites, I think I'll try that ivomec pour on stuff if I can find it. I will up the Corid dosage, and see what happens. I am starting to think it may be something else. I will look into all the diseases that were mentioned. And as far as the chickens this morning, the hen that was almost dead, has died. And now the rooster and another hen are looking very wobbly. It seems to be only affecting my younger chickens. Which does suggest cocci. But apparently being very off-balance, and curled feet aren't coccidiosis signs? and I haven't seen the bloody poop. IDK. ugh. so confusing. Thanks for the replies though.

How old are the ones with curled feet? Are the toes curled? Are the feet flat on the ground while the bird (s) are standing? Ivomec does nothing for worms in chickens, and nothing for lice since the ones not coming in contact with blood do not die and eggs continue to hatch. Adam's Flea and Tick spray works, used sparingly, and so does Sevin-5 dust. Keep either substance away from face and off the vent. I'm sorry about the hen. Give the Corid dose I recommended in the previous post, IF you have been giving a lesser dosage. How long did you have them on the Corid before, and how much were you adding per quart/gallon of water?

Like Casportpony said, mix a fresh water solution daily. Are any of your chickens moulting? That would change the approach to treatment. Valbazen suspension (Albendazole) is the best common wormer. Dosage for it is 1/4 cc for Bantams and 1/2 cc for large fowl. After Corid treatment, dose once, and do it again 10 days later.

The information above is merely to treat the possibilities. I'm suspecting Encephalomalacia symptoms that usually appear between 15 and 30 days of age, but can be seen later in life too. Chicks attempt to walk and fall over, toes flexed, walking in circles, sometimes trembling of head and legs. Rancid feed or feed stored too long, deficient in vitamins (particularly vitamin E) can cause this. If treatment is given in time the birds will not suffer severe brain damage. Poultry Nutri Drench should be given daily for a couple days and vitamin-mineral-probiotic powder given in water for 5 days. Very important to change feed and give the proper ration according to the age of birds.

 

[casportpony]

A necropsy is probably worth looking into. This link has some labs that might do one for free:
http://www.google.com/search?q=ariz...oratory&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

And this shows how to send a bird:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/799747/how-to-send-a-bird-for-a-necropsy-pictures

-Kathy

 

[loveourbirds]

since i have seen evidence both ways on ivomec killing lice on poultry i thought i would research a little deeper. poultry lice will consume small amounts of blood through growing feathers, and sometimes dried blood on a chicken's skin. for that reason it can work. i know it has worked well on my farm, but i do use some 7 dust in the bedding and maybe that has been what killed the lice. i know several people use it as a wormer, all i can say is i havent noticed a worm problem since i started using it. however i do trust dawg's information over mine on that end of it. i know dawg normally recommends a wormer that i havent been able to find - cant remember the name.

 

[Eggcessive]

i know dawg normally recommends a wormer that i havent been able to find - cant remember the name.

It is called Valbazen (albendazole.) He also recommends Safe-guard Liquid Goat Wormer. http://www.jefferspet.com/valbazen/camid/liv/cp/16387/ and
http://www.jefferspet.com/safe-guard-dewormer-for-goats/camid/liv/cp/I6-SK/

 

[familypendragon]

I just used Ivomec for the first time recently at the recommendation of the Vet at the Poultry Lab at Texas A&M. According to him it is not approved for use in commercial chickens but in his personal experience it is fine and works well for backyard flocks. He said it would be effective for worms and mites - anything that consumes the ivomec laden blood but would be less likely to be effective alone against lice since they primarily eat feathers and dander. I used it on a new hen I purchased, and about 4 days later I noted bugs crawling on her and that she was doing a lot of preening. I saw the bundles of what I believe were lice eggs under her chin in her beard etc (Ameraucana) and decided to use some poultry dust on her. Whatever it was - the Ivomec had done nothing but as soon as I did that the bugs were literally running off her tail feathers. I poured a small hill of the dust below her and let them fall into it to die. Here is a pic.

 

[dawg53]

I just used Ivomec for the first time recently at the recommendation of the Vet at the Poultry Lab at Texas A&M. According to him it is not approved for use in commercial chickens but in his personal experience it is fine and works well for backyard flocks. He said it would be effective for worms and mites - anything that consumes the ivomec laden blood but would be less likely to be effective alone against lice since they primarily eat feathers and dander. I used it on a new hen I purchased, and about 4 days later I noted bugs crawling on her and that she was doing a lot of preening. I saw the bundles of what I believe were lice eggs under her chin in her beard etc (Ameraucana) and decided to use some poultry dust on her. Whatever it was - the Ivomec had done nothing but as soon as I did that the bugs were literally running off her tail feathers. I poured a small hill of the dust below her and let them fall into it to die. Here is a pic.

Yep, the poultry dust did the job. Ivomec does not work anymore as a wormer for chickens due to its overuse as a miteacide in chickens. Simply put, worms have built resistance to the product. It is still effective against mites. Chicken lice dont bite and suck blood like cattle lice. However you're correct, if the opportunity arises and there's blood from a scratch, they'll feed off it. Ivomec and dusts have no effect on lice eggs. Cutting the feathers or fluff out to remove them or some folks have stated that they have used coconut oil to remove them and it works. Or redusting in 7-10 days will kill lice larva hatched from the eggs. Thanks for the photo and good job!