Help did i went wrong with this hatch?

Hi, welcome to the forum, glad you joined, I just wish it were for another reason.

When incubating the eggs the air cell should be on top if the egg is incubated on end. That way the air cell stays here it is supposed to and the chick is properly oriented. You can also incubate with the egg laying on its side. That's the way the eggs are when a broody hen incubates them, on the side. The air cell behaves and the chicks can handle orientation either way. When I use my incubator I use a turner that holds the pointy end down but when I go into lockdown I lay my eggs flat on the bottom of the incubator. You usually do not get good hatches when you incubate them with the narrow point up with the air cell on the bottom. As you have seen that does not mean none will hatch but many may not.

When did you start incubation? Either date or day of the week works. That way I could tell about where they are in the hatching process. They can be a day or two early or late but at least it would be a clue.

So what do you do? There are no good options. Before a chick hatches it needs to dry up the blood vessels in the membrane around it and absorb the blood so it does not bleed to death as it is opening the shell during hatch. It also needs to absorb the yolk, the yolk is what it mainly lives off of for a couple of days after it hatches. And it pokes a hole into the air cell and sticks its beak in to learn to breathe air instead of living in a liquid environment. If you carefully open an air hole into the air cell you should be OK but anywhere else you risk hitting a blood vessel or the yolk unless it is far enough along that is not a problem.

I think I'd candle them first. I'd mainly be looking for movement or any hint that they are still alive. If your shells are dark brown, blue, or green it may be hard to see much inside. It is possible you can't see well enough to detect movement. The head is probably tucked between its legs, you may only be able to see a solid dark mass, not individual parts.

When did you start them? Today is Sunday June 2. If you started them on or before Friday May 10 the risk of puncturing a blood vessel has dropped some. It is still a risk. Be very careful if you poke a hole in the shell. You just posted you started them Saturday night. I'd not risk poking a hole. I'd lay them on their side in the incubator if you can and hope for the best. If they are on their side you might see the egg wiggling as the chick inside moves to position itself for hatch. That way you know a chick is alive inside.

I hesitate to mention this because some idiot will see it and risk their hatch because they have no self-control. Water candling is something that should only be done in a desperate situation. You are not there yet but before you toss the eggs you might float them in a bowl of water. Only try this on eggs that have not pipped. If a chick is alive in the shell then it should wiggle as it floats. I'd wait until Tuesday to do this. If one wiggles I'd try helping it by very carefully remove tiny bits of shell. If you see blood stop. If you don't see blood drops or blood vessels in the membrane open it up and see if you can save it. If you see blood put it back in the incubator.

You are probably beating yourself up pretty badly over this. Try not to. You did not know any better. If you do it again you deserve to beat yourself up but we all go through learning curves. Whether we admit it or not, we have all made mistakes.

Good luck!
 
I've had 2 or 3 not get turned around to the right end and pip at the small end, 1 I had to assist.

I know some people make safety holes, I have never done that, let me see if I can find a thread on that.

I see Ridgerunner has done as excellent post while I was muddling around here.
 
Hi, welcome to the forum, glad you joined, I just wish it were for another reason.

When incubating the eggs the air cell should be on top if the egg is incubated on end. That way the air cell stays here it is supposed to and the chick is properly oriented. You can also incubate with the egg laying on its side. That's the way the eggs are when a broody hen incubates them, on the side. The air cell behaves and the chicks can handle orientation either way. When I use my incubator I use a turner that holds the pointy end down but when I go into lockdown I lay my eggs flat on the bottom of the incubator. You usually do not get good hatches when you incubate them with the narrow point up with the air cell on the bottom. As you have seen that does not mean none will hatch but many may not.

When did you start incubation? Either date or day of the week works. That way I could tell about where they are in the hatching process. They can be a day or two early or late but at least it would be a clue.

So what do you do? There are no good options. Before a chick hatches it needs to dry up the blood vessels in the membrane around it and absorb the blood so it does not bleed to death as it is opening the shell during hatch. It also needs to absorb the yolk, the yolk is what it mainly lives off of for a couple of days after it hatches. And it pokes a hole into the air cell and sticks its beak in to learn to breathe air instead of living in a liquid environment. If you carefully open an air hole into the air cell you should be OK but anywhere else you risk hitting a blood vessel or the yolk unless it is far enough along that is not a problem.

I think I'd candle them first. I'd mainly be looking for movement or any hint that they are still alive. If your shells are dark brown, blue, or green it may be hard to see much inside. It is possible you can't see well enough to detect movement. The head is probably tucked between its legs, you may only be able to see a solid dark mass, not individual parts.

When did you start them? Today is Sunday June 2. If you started them on or before Friday May 10 the risk of puncturing a blood vessel has dropped some. It is still a risk. Be very careful if you poke a hole in the shell. You just posted you started them Saturday night. I'd not risk poking a hole. I'd lay them on their side in the incubator if you can and hope for the best. If they are on their side you might see the egg wiggling as the chick inside moves to position itself for hatch. That way you know a chick is alive inside.

I hesitate to mention this because some idiot will see it and risk their hatch because they have no self-control. Water candling is something that should only be done in a desperate situation. You are not there yet but before you toss the eggs you might float them in a bowl of water. Only try this on eggs that have not pipped. If a chick is alive in the shell then it should wiggle as it floats. I'd wait until Tuesday to do this. If one wiggles I'd try helping it by very carefully remove tiny bits of shell. If you see blood stop. If you don't see blood drops or blood vessels in the membrane open it up and see if you can save it. If you see blood put it back in the incubator.

You are probably beating yourself up pretty badly over this. Try not to. You did not know any better. If you do it again you deserve to beat yourself up but we all go through learning curves. Whether we admit it or not, we have all made mistakes.

Good luck!
Thank you sooo much for the extensive reply. I will give them some more time. I am going to remove the chick that hatched so i can keep a closer eye on them. She has been bowling a bit so its hard to check if they move.

I realise they could need more time, but i ve also read that they should hatch close together, so i was worried because of the early hatcher.

When i candle i cant really detect movement, it thought maybe if i give them an airhole on the narrow side, it could help, because the first hatcher seems to have done the same on its own. The sack in its egg didnt seem pierced. But maybe that would be a bad idea.

its hard, because i am aware you could do damage aswell
 
I realise they could need more time, but i ve also read that they should hatch close together, so i was worried because of the early hatcher.
I've had several hatches under a broody hen and in an incubator where the last egg hatched within 16 hours of the first one hatching. I've had hatches where the last chick hatched into the third day (over 48 hours) after the first one. You can read a lot about what "should" happen but reality doesn't always follow should.

In one incubator hatch I had a chick hatch fairly late on a Monday. Nothing happened for about 24 hours. No pips, nothing. Just before I went to bed I saw a couple of pips. When I woke up the next morning another 16 chicks had hatched overnight. Those 17 were all that hatched. For the sake of my nerves I agree they all "should" hatch close together but those did not.

Another time I had a broody hen hatch a chick late on a Monday night. Again a Monday. I don't know when the rest of her chicks hatched but it was Friday morning before she brough them all off of the nest. That was about 80 hours after the first one hatched. That was hard on my nerves too.

I know it is easier to say this than follow it but try to not worry too much about how close together they hatch.
 
Thank you everyone who helped me!

Quick update, unfortunately the three eggs didnt make it. Up until today there were no signs of life, zero movement, no heartbeat. So we decided to pull the plug on the incubator. I did an autopsy on one of them and they were the wrong side up, but really far along developed so my best guess is they couldnt make the turn. It wasnt pleasant so I didnt open the other eggs up.

I am pretty confident about the temperature and the humidity as I had 2 separate devices to monitor it but I am I have a slight suspicion my incubator is poorly ventilated. Is this something people have experience with? I am thinking about drilling an extra hole for more oxygen circulation.

I am going to pick up 2 chicks from someone in the neighborhood so our sole little survivor has some friends. They are expected to be born today or tomorrow so thats kind of perfect.

Thanks again to everyone helping in times of trouble and anxiety
 
They do need a lot of oxygen, so you are likely correct there.
 

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