HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! drunk Pullett

[leadwolf1]

I would vaccinate them all. You can find the vaccine online. Here is the link to the place I get mine.

http://www.twincitypoultrysupplies....in_page=product_info&cPath=46&products_id=574

Some will tell you that you can't vaccinate adult birds or, birds that have already been exposed. While doing research, I came across some studies that showed the opposite. It said to vaccinate all birds, young and old, symptomatic and asymptomatic. It can provide immunity no matter the age. In birds that are showing symptoms, it has been shown to help boost their immunity. To me, there was never a doubt, I vaccinated everyone. Six months later, I gave them a booster. I've lost 40+ birds. I would do anything to put a stop to this disease!!! I've studied it extensively. Even using my flock as subjects. There isn't enough information about Marek's for me, I had to know more. I'm still working on it and learning every day.

If you are planning on getting more birds:

1. Purchase hatching eggs. If you can find some from a Marek's infected flock, this is best. It has been proven, by many, that chicks that hatch from birds that are Marek's carrier's hatch with immunity. Upon hatch, vaccinate. Keep hatchlings isolated for 6 weeks - 6 months. The longer the isolation period, the better.

2. Purchase only vaccinated chicks from a hatchery then, follow the isolation procedure above.

If you have another bird get sick, have a necropsy performed. Then you will know for sure what you are dealing with and how to protect your future flock.

Good luck! If you have any other questions, feel free to ask

lol.... thank you gals. you are my wealth of knowledge until someday i can help someone too! you can never seem to get enough advise on these babies can we?

I am ashamed to say the my DH burned the corpses thinking he was helping me on this. I have the best little chicken graveyard for the few I have lost, but he knew I was concerned about them having disease and he thought he was doing the right thing. I am back to square one. Would it do me any good to try and vaccinate them? They are all adult except my one little girl, and she was housed with them for over 7 weeks. Not thinking it would do any good, but i gotta ask.

 

[fishnet1971]

thank you so much. I trust your reccomendations and i am going to vaccinate them all as soon as I can. I dont usually just go out and vaccinate, or medicate, but i am thinking in this instance i may as well. Like you say, Cant hurt.

It's great to have you to bounce this off of.

Is this vaccine sent with instructions? Given intramuscual or under the skin?

 

[fishnet1971]

http://www.firststatevetsupply.com/content/view/17/37/

found a great article on it. Ordered and on its way to me now.

 

[leadwolf1]

It is sent with instructions. Follow them to the letter. It is a fragile vaccine and must be administered in a one hour time frame. It only comes in 1000 doses. You will have alot to dispose of.

In the meantime, find yourself the following supplies:

One 3cc syringe and 18G needle. This will be used to draw up the diluent that you will use to reconstitute the vaccine.

Count your chickens. Divide by 5. That's the amount of syringes/needles you will need to administer the vaccine. Do the oldest and asymptomatic ones, first. Each chicken will get .2mls of the vaccine. SubQ.(under the skin) You can administer at the back of the neck or really, anywhere that you can find some skin to pinch I used TB syringes with a 25G needle. If all your birds are older, you could probably use 23G on them. I just couldn't bring myself to stab day olds with that big old needle

Do this at night. You can grab them off the roost. Have a helper that can hold a squirming chicken still. Have an extra syringe or two drawn up to use in case you miss or someone jumps and the vaccine is wasted. I always draw up all the syringes I need first so that no time is wasted during the actual vaccination process.

 

[questions543]

cocci would have killed her by now so its not that, It looks alot like a pullet from the video

 

[leadwolf1]

Thanks for posting this. I've read it numerous times! It is good to have it posted in new threads so that others can easily find the information!

http://www.firststatevetsupply.com/content/view/17/37/

found a great article on it. Ordered and on its way to me now.

 

[texastee2012]

I didnt know they could get tobacco poisoning. there's a new one for me. I know she didnt get a butt. Is it possible for them after being held to preen themselves and get the tobacco off of your hands that was on their feathers?

here are just a few...in my case I saw it happen, but could do nothing except chase hen around an acre yard while she swollowed said butt.....seems the nicotine is very toxic to them....I sure doubt that there is enough transfer from your hands to harm them. Here are just a few of what I found....nicotine is down toward the bottom....

Sick Bird Symptom: Weak Legs / Paralysis​

Index of Bird Diseases ... Symptoms & Potential Causes​

Bird Health / Avian Medicine Library​

Bird Species and Their Respective Syndromes (Lists diseases specific bird species are most susceptible to)

Weak Legs / Paralysis

Also refer to this page for potential solutions
Nerve damage following injury (may resolve itself over time as nerve regenerates / heals or, if nerve has been severed, may be permanent)
Aspergillosis: Can affect just about any parrot. Respiratory symptoms, dfficulty breathing, rapid breathing and/or exercise intolerance are common If any portion of the central nervous system has become involved, the bird may have tremors, an uneven or wobbly gait, seizures, or paralysis.
Botulism:

• Susceptible Species: All domestic poultry: fowls, turkeys, water fowl, pheasants and also most wild birds are susceptible. Carrion-eating birds can withstand large doses of the toxin without showing any symptoms.
• Botulism occurs sporadically in poultry raised under conditions where hygiene is poor and where birds have access to rotting carcasses or other contaminated or decaying material. It also occurs occasionally in wild birds particularly if they are feeding in stagnant water holes. Botulism is usually more common in the warmer months.
• Clinical Signs/Field Signs Healthy birds, affected birds, and dead birds in various stages of decay are commonly found in the same area. The toxin affects the nervous system by preventing impulse transmission to muscles which results in flaccid paralysis. Consequently, birds are unable to use their wings and legs normally or control the third eyelid, neck muscles, and other muscles. Birds with paralyzed neck muscles cannot hold their heads up and often drown. Death can also result from water deprivation, electrolyte imbalance, respiratory failure, or predation.

Calcium Deficiency:

Conure Bleeding Syndrome (CBS) appears in conure species with rapid onset of weakness and somnolence.
African Greys are known to be susceptible to Calcium deficiency, which leads to seizures and/or leg paralysis, sudden collapse or fainting.Although the pathogenesis is not clearly understood, it appears as though these birds are unable to mobilize their body calcium stores.​

• The most common health problems associated with vitamin D deficiency are: weakened immune systems / susceptibility to diseases, soft bones, bent keels, splayed legs, abnormal beak development, reproductive problems (egg binding, soft-shell eggs, dying chicks) as well as seizures and, to a lesser extend, Stargazing (twisted back)
• In areas where access to natural sunlight is limited (such as in the northern hemisphere during the winter months), full-spectrum lamps can be used to provide UVA and UVB rays.
• Please click here for natural food sources rich in Vitamin D
• Potentially discuss supplementation with your vet. Supplementation needs to be carefully screened and supervised by a vet since an excess of vitamin D (in the form of a supplement) causes kidney damage and retards growth.

Marek's Disease - Occurs mainly in chickens under 16 weeks of age. Symptoms: Leg and/or wing paralysis, high mortality, tumors on visceral organs.
Newcastle Disease: Respiratory distress, and rasping followed in 1 or 2 days by a paralysis of legs and wings and bad down between legs or straight back over shoulders, twisting of neck (stargazing). In adult birds, loss of production along with some respiratory distress and paralysis after 4 to 6 days.
Toxins: Exposure to Nicotine Tobacco Products and other Toxins: Common symptoms: Excitation, tachypnea, salivation and emesis; with severe cases, muscular weakness, paralysis, twitching, depression, tachycardia, dyspnea, collapse, coma or cardiac arrest.
North American Arbovirus Disease. Pigeons. Common symptoms: Causes mental retardation, convulsions and paralysis. The mortality rate may be around 60%.
St. Louis encephalitis (SLE) - Affects pigeons, sparrows and finches. Common symptoms: Paralysis, coma and death. The mortality rate is usually 5-10%, in some cases up to 33%.​

 

[fishnet1971]

great article. thanks for posting it.

leadwolf, the shots are are their way with 25 g needles in a cooler to me. They should be here today. I have given subQ shots before so that will be an easy one. Believe it or not, most of my girls will sit on my lap and let me administer it with no problem. They sit and watch a tub of mealworms while I do it. lol...

I have a Cochin that is a little cranky and under the weather yesterday and today, but i think that's do to molting. Poop looks fine, activity is just a little slower than normal, comb is pink instead of red - not big and swollen, not running to food,etc.

MayMay - my old adoptee is down in the dumps for the last 2 days but I am not worried too much yet. She has spells like this - ups and downs. Has diareah though, lethargic, looks PO'd at me. (cleaned her butt last night and put swat on a little sore I found) She is also finishing a molt. She didnt want to get off the roost this am and waited for me to pick her up and put her down. Eyes didnt look the greatest. Not as bright as usual.

The last of the new girls- Amaretto is still looking spunky and full of energy. No down time, no symptoms yet of anything respiratory or neurological. eating good, pooping good.

'Bird (my big guy) still fine and dandy.

 

[fishnet1971]

I just completed vaccinating all 9 ofmy girls. It went well and actually easier than I though.

 

[leadwolf1]

Congratulations