Help! Gander has diarrhea and then something hangs out!

[shondagreenjinx]

I have never seen any mating at least at this point. I really don't know why it happened. I am thinking that the farting was caused perhaps because of his straining to go to the bathroom. His penis had swollen and was blocking a lot of the vent area off. By no means am I an expert though, although I now know more about gander manhood than I ever wanted too!

 

[Miss Lydia]

I have never seen any mating at least at this point. I really don't know why it happened. I am thinking that the farting was caused perhaps because of his straining to go to the bathroom. His penis had swollen and was blocking a lot of the vent area off. By no means am I an expert though, although I now know more about gander manhood than I ever wanted too!

I was just saying that's usually what causes it in drakes. You got some info you'd have cared not to have gotten. I'm glad he is doing well though. Poor guy how embarrassing for you and him.

 

[chooks4life]

Usually over mating causes prolapsed penis especially in drakes. so I assume in ganders too.

The farting, though... Have your ganders/ducks farted out their own penises after they've been replaced after a prolapse? Or anyone else you've heard of? If so, perhaps the penis was replaced into the incorrect internal position so prevented them eliminating feces properly and the pressure built up until it came out noisily. (?) I don't know why they would start making loud farts in this case, normally I'd assume they've got a buildup of gas for some reason, in the gut or bowels.

I have heard of various prolapse cases but not the loud farting as a symptom. :/

I would have a different stance on the subject of overmating partly because my stance on overmating in chickens is also different, I believe the general physical and social health statuses of both male and female are undervalued as far as a contributing factor in both cases. I would probably view it in most cases as an animal in subpar health overdoing something a male in prime health wouldn't injure himself from, or perhaps an animal with a genetic predisposition to prolapse, or one on a poor diet causing the mucosal membranes, connective tissues etc to lose flexibility, since the latter is one of the greatest factors in, if not the greatest factor involved in female fowl prolapsing. Lack of raw oils in the diet specifically.

It's also possible it's a mental issue, not knowing when to stop and rest, I guess that could be termed 'overmating'. But then you'd expect most young male fowl to suffer from it, potential contributing factors aside.

It'd be interesting to see what the records for a flock known to suffer penile prolapse look like, I'd bet there's probably a familial leaning towards it. That'd be a pretty serious issue for a wild bird after all, it's probably a problem that's only reached a common status under human intervention. Even in the wild, geese and especially ducks are quite often prolific maters.

I've never had 'overmating' issues with my chooks because I don't keep roosters who are abusive to hens, and I feed the hens kelp etc to ensure their feathers are strong, so the many people simply stating 'overmating' is due to roosters not having enough hens just baffles me. Especially because roosters with more hens than they can keep 'covered' still tend to have a favorite they abuse. Some of my earlier flock included Isabrowns, and older hens from various places who had terrible feathers to start with, and overmating was not an issue with them either because the roosters were gentle enough and intelligent enough to back off if a hen refused them. It's not about the hens, it's about the roosters, in my experience. Sometimes my ratio of males to females is 50:50 and I've never had 'overmating' damage to the hens despite the frequent mating, barring a few cases of accidental spur scrapes.

If the gander was trying to mate unwilling geese, though, I could imagine some potentially damaging issues occurring.

Anyway, best wishes.

 

[chooks4life]

I have never seen any mating at least at this point. I really don't know why it happened. I am thinking that the farting was caused perhaps because of his straining to go to the bathroom. His penis had swollen and was blocking a lot of the vent area off. By no means am I an expert though, although I now know more about gander manhood than I ever wanted too!

Very interesting, I guess if you can't breed him now we may not find out if this was a genetic issue unless you find any of his brothers/ father/ uncles/ grandfather/ whatever have also suffered this or something similar or even an elevated prolapse rate.

It may not be something you want to learn about but with all animals you have, their reproductive health is also part of the whole organism's health and therefore something you're responsible for, so this is a valuable crash course in their anatomy. I need to learn more of their anatomy myself, even though I don't have ducks or geese right now, because I intend to get some geese again in future and knowing me, ducks aren't too unlikely either. Got a massive dam on this property, full of fish...

It would be strange for this to happen in the absence of sexual activity, but until people know more about it nobody can really help, we do need to learn more about why prolapse occurs in the first place. This will give us more options in treating it other than loss of the penis.

Best wishes.

 

[livininbrazil]

Hope he gets better. Wonder what happened to make him fart like that in the first place, that's quite unusual.

Best wishes.

Usually over mating causes prolapsed penis especially in drakes. so I assume in ganders too.

He´s four and a half months old...he´s a baby. I did wonder, though, if shonda has randy drakes?.......

 

[Miss Lydia]

He´s four and a half months old...he´s a baby. I did wonder, though, if shonda has randy drakes?.......

When she first posted this thread I didn't know he was only 4.5 months old. goodness that's very young to have had a prolapse.

What is his diet?

 

[shondagreenjinx]

I don't think finding relitives would be possible. I bought him from atwoods and they order from ideal hatchery. I decided that I would not breed him even if it ends up that he can just in case it is hereditary. I would rather not take the chance.
I don't have any ducks at this time but you never know about the future! I have enjoyed my chickens so much that I decided to get some geese. Now I love them too!
I have 5 geese. Two ganders and 3 females. They free range in the day and eat grass and what ever else they find in the yard. I also have a plot of about 1/4 acre that I planted for my geese and chickens that contains dundale peas, red wheat, field corn, and sourgum. I also feed nutrina all flock but it seems since there is other great stuff to eat they are just not eating it right now. They also get treats daily (at least once a day). It varies but most often they get romaine lettuce or strawberries.

 

[Miss Lydia]

I don't think finding relitives would be possible. I bought him from atwoods and they order from ideal hatchery. I decided that I would not breed him even if it ends up that he can just in case it is hereditary. I would rather not take the chance.
I don't have any ducks at this time but you never know about the future! I have enjoyed my chickens so much that I decided to get some geese. Now I love them too!
I have 5 geese. Two ganders and 3 females. They free range in the day and eat grass and what ever else they find in the yard. I also have a plot of about 1/4 acre that I planted for my geese and chickens that contains dundale peas, red wheat, field corn, and sourgum. I also feed nutrina all flock but it seems since there is other great stuff to eat they are just not eating it right now. They also get treats daily (at least once a day). It varies but most often they get romaine lettuce or strawberries.

Sounds like an awesome diet. Hows he looking today?

 

[chooks4life]

He´s four and a half months old...he´s a baby. I did wonder, though, if shonda has randy drakes?.......

Are you thinking perhaps he was mated and damaged by a drake or gander? They are notorious for it, it's a possibility...

When she first posted this thread I didn't know he was only 4.5 months old. goodness that's very young to have had a prolapse.

What is his diet?

Yeah, that's certainly not what you hear age wise in the average prolapse case.

I don't think finding relitives would be possible. I bought him from atwoods and they order from ideal hatchery. I decided that I would not breed him even if it ends up that he can just in case it is hereditary. I would rather not take the chance.
I don't have any ducks at this time but you never know about the future! I have enjoyed my chickens so much that I decided to get some geese. Now I love them too!
I have 5 geese. Two ganders and 3 females. They free range in the day and eat grass and what ever else they find in the yard. I also have a plot of about 1/4 acre that I planted for my geese and chickens that contains dundale peas, red wheat, field corn, and sourgum. I also feed nutrina all flock but it seems since there is other great stuff to eat they are just not eating it right now. They also get treats daily (at least once a day). It varies but most often they get romaine lettuce or strawberries.

Sounds pretty good, but do you get the strawberries from the supermarket or grow them? I can only speak for Australia here but some vegetables, fruits, etc you buy from shops are routinely infected with gastrointestinal bacteria which makes humans and animals of all species who eat that food quite ill, but generally only those susceptible to it. I'm not, thankfully, but some family members are and so are some of my animals and they suffer from it. Over time some people and animals become sensitive enough to smell it and avoid it. Some only need one case of the stomach upset to avoid it for life, it can be quite severe.

It sounds to me like your animal perhaps ate something that caused a massive internal upset, and prolapsed due to this, or perhaps ate something that went mildly septic inside him and that caused the gas...

But those are just guesses, it's highly abnormal to hear of fowl farting loudly. For all we know he experimented with a plant he shouldn't have eaten.

Or maybe he was harmed by a gander and that led to the prolapse. It's not too uncommon for drakes and ganders to harm other animals of various species, both genders, all ages, in forced matings.

Anyway, best wishes with him.

 

[shondagreenjinx]

Thanks everybody! I really am thankful for all of the concern for him. He is still eating and drinking fine and seem to be in a minimal amount of pain now. The penis is not as swollen now as it was but there is still a lot of bruising on it. I am still washing it three times daily and using neosporn on it but it is still starting to have some tissue did at the end of it. I will update with any changes. I don't think there is much I can do for my guy but maybe this will help anyone else with this problem in the future. I believe now we are waiting for the tissue to die and then I will trim it and try to see if that will help as well as watch for infection.