HELP! Goat got into Chicken Grower/finisher and possibly in labor OR Bloat?

[Icedangel11]

The bucklings eating about 3 oz a feeding and has REALLY taken to the bottle. He loves getting pets and cuddles. <3

 

[Icedangel11]

So.. Is it normal for a Nigerian to pump out Two quarts the first day? I've milked her twice now and have gotten 4 cups each milking.

Every time I milk out a teat and do the other one the first one has filled a couple more pumps.

I'm pretty sure I'll still get another two or so cups from her again tonight. I'll milk her once in the morning, once around five, and once when she goes to bed (at about 9 or ten )

All the websites say that she should only be putting out three cups a day.. Not each milking. Is she gonna get sick from all this milk coming out?

 

[Stacykins]

So.. Is it normal for a Nigerian to pump out Two quarts the first day? I've milked her twice now and have gotten 4 cups each milking.

Every time I milk out a teat and do the other one the first one has filled a couple more pumps.

I'm pretty sure I'll still get another two or so cups from her again tonight. I'll milk her once in the morning, once around five, and once when she goes to bed (at about 9 or ten )

All the websites say that she should only be putting out three cups a day.. Not each milking. Is she gonna get sick from all this milk coming out?

It is normal for a doe who comes from a good milking line! She is a definite keeper, even if she is skittish!

She isn't going to get sick! Just feed her well (slowly increase feed if you need to). It takes a lot of energy to produce milk.

That website is quoting an average. Some does milk more, some less.

 

[Icedangel11]

Her udders are also REALLY easy to milk. Nice and big.

Would you believe I got her for 75$?

I'm debating on whether or not I'd like to keep the doeling and buckling to breed. I REALLY need the money, though and might sell the doeling. But I'm not sure if it'd be OK for a buck to breed his mother/sister. I don't really like the idea of inbreeding.. But I'm not sure if it'd cause detrimental health effects. ((The idea being crossing him to get 2/3 more doelings from Tea/Poppy and then selling him off.))

If I chose to sell them both, how much would you ask for them?

Both parents are Moonspotted + white markings + Blue eyes.

Buckling is Moonspotted (He's getting light spots in already) + white markings + Blue eyes.

Doesling is White markings + Blue eyes (Can't tell if she's spotted or not, yet. I THINK she is. But her brown makes it hard to tell)

Not papered, but purebred, and with a momma whose pumping out the milk. XD

 

[H Diamond]

Ok, take this as it is.. someone coming from the stand point that every time you breed an animal you should breed to improve upon what you already have...

With the udder (and there is just one udder on a doe, she has one udder and two teats) she has, there is no way I would breed that buck back his momma. Udder confirmation is passed down through the buck line. If you are looking to get a new buck for instance, you need to look at the udder his dam has. Most likely, your doe kids from him will have a very similar udder. Your doe (while yes she makes alot of milk for a nigerian) has a poorly attached udder and one that appears tipped too far forward. While this is fine for your purposes, if you breed her buck kid back to her, it will only exacerbate this problem. The thing with line breeding is, it can help perpetuate the good qualities, but it will also expound the bad qualities in the animal, so you need a pretty top notch animal to successfully line breed. The bad qualities may not show up in the first generation, but they most certainly will in subsequent generations.
You would be better served selling the kids and buying the best quality buck you can afford and offers the things you want to improve upon in your herd, or seeing if there is someone local that can service your does. That usually ends up being cheaper than keeping a buck year round for so few does.

If you have no interest in improving your herd, and you just want "goats", then I suppose it doesn't really matter what route you go, lol. That being said, if you are breeding your does back in order to get more keeper doe kids, then I would highly recommend getting a different buck.

 

[H Diamond]

And just so you know I'm not trying to offend you or your goat. She is pretty, and that udder is going to work out just fine for you.
Just wanted you to have some points to think about when breeding again.

 

[Icedangel11]

Oooh, I see.

So, doesn't that mean that the doelings udder will come from her sire and not her mother? So the Doeling might be a useful part of my herd? Should I give her a chance to see how her udder fills out first?

And would you recommend weathering the buckling, at this point? He'd be okay for producing pet goats, which is common around here, but probably not milk goats.

And no, no, I don't take offence at all. I understand you're just trying to help. It's sort've sad, though. Unless the AMOUNT of milk production can be passed through the momma?

Because then the doelings I get will just be dependant on the buck. But with my buckling not being able to throw well attached udders means she might as well not be a good milker because her daughters wont draw from her milking genes. Unless I find Tea's daddy, but that's doubtful because she was kidded in TN.

 

[H Diamond]

If he were mine, yes he would become a wether. But I don't know what sells best where you are.
The doeling is up to you. If you can get a look at her grand dam's udder (the sire's mom's udder), and it looks nice, then by all means keep her if you want more does.
There isn't anything wrong with having a doe that doesn't have a show quality, perfectly attached udder, absolutely nothing at all. And if someone needs a buck just keep to keep their girls producing milk and the kids are going to slaughter anyways, then using a breeding buck that is pet quality is fine. For instance, I have a boer x nubian cross doe that has a terrible (and by terrible I mean lopsides, loose attachments, small teats, and one side has an extra teat) that I keep just because she is the best dam I have, never has a lick of trouble kidding, has triplets almost every year, keeps condition, and her kids always sell the best at the auction. All her buck kids get wethered so that udder doesn't get passed on however.

 

[farm n louisana]

What makes a udder not attach good n hang low

 

[Icedangel11]

Ahh, I see.

Hmm.. I'm not sure. I think I'd like to, in the end, get a white buck. Because I've sort've made it a rule that if the kid has any white markings or 'special' things it's safe because it'll sell well as someone's pet. But if it's a solid or plain color it'll get butchered. I just want to build up my current pool of goats so that I have enough milk, cheese, lotion and soap for myself and possibly some of the neighbors. The buckling I KNOW will sell extremely well as a buck. Because I've already had offers. I'm just not sure what's a fair price. Genetically, there are high chances he's Homozygous for blue eyes, white markings, and moonspots. As his sire is homozygous for them. Meaning he will always have super cute spotty blue eyed babies. Which are all the rage here.

I think, with that buckling, if he throws a sloppy udder but high milking abilities he's still going to be desirable for people like me who have no interest in showing. I think I will breed him to a doe with new blood and get some doelings from that cross. Perhaps doelings with a better udder attachment. Then, perhaps, the buckling from that cross have a chance at throwing a good udder and high milking abilities? If the dam has a good udder?

Though, I do feel studding Tea to a white buck will be my 'end goal'. Half the babies will be white, half will be super colorful. XD Which means food and money!