Help...I have a "Splitting" headache now!

[Garden Peas]

Alright, here's a little bit of the stuff from up higher in the sticky, but I cut it short, because the very next bit is unfortunately incorrect (but fixed later by Rosa Moschata):

No female will ever be split to a sex-linked color, because they only need 1 copy to display the color. A female with the gene will always be the sex-linked color. I will use Purple again as my sex-linked color for an example.

Purple male x Opal female = Blue split Purple/Opal males and Purple split Opal females

So in YOUR original proposal -- purple male split midnight, and peach hen...

The chicks all have a fifty percent chance from dad of getting that lone midnight gene, and no chance from mom of getting a midnight gene, so theoretically half the chicks could carry (or be split to) midnight, but none of them would display midnight (unless the hen has something we don't know about

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But the male chicks will be purple, because they get a purple gene from dad and apparently a purple-cameo crossover gene from mom

(See long explanation from Rosa Moschata). Hen chicks will be purple, because they get the purple gene from dad...

So chicks from that pair will be visually purple, and statistically, half may be carrying the midnight gene (split midnight), and the male chicks will (if that crossover gene stuff is correct) have the purple part from mom as a purple-cameo crossover gene (peach), so cameo is in there but isn't going to uncross unless... Well, just read Rosa Moschata's stuff after you refill coffee

And then you've got the pied and black shoulder stuff...

 

[Garden Peas]

And I DID draw Punnett squares figuring it out

 

[AugeredIn]

I can run and show the squares for a combination but you need to tell me what you want shown. I got confused above. There are tons of birds that are color split to other colors and I can assure you that some one is working on every color combination.

A purple midnight male is possible but it would, in my opinion, knowing what I know, look different than a purple split to midnight male which is also possible.

 

[Garden Peas]

I can run and show the squares for a combination but you need to tell me what you want shown. I got confused above. There are tons of birds that are color split to other colors and I can assure you that some one is working on every color combination.

A purple midnight male is possible but it would, in my opinion, knowing what I know, look different than a purple split to midnight male which is also possible.

Hurray, the cavalry! While DylansMom is figuring out what to have you show her, do, please, tell me what a purple midnight male (two genes purple, two genes midnight) looks like? I'm figuring that a purple split midnight will look more or less like a regular purple... but what "wins" phenotypically when the male is homozygous for both?

 

[AugeredIn]

I don't know specifically. Or at least if I have heard or seen it did not impress me. Peach is cameo and purple, indigo and hazel are the two variants of bronze and purple, taupe is a combination of two colors (I'm not saying), mocha is a couple of different things based upon who you believe and there a couple of other not well known yet colors out there. I would guess that Violetta is a combination but I don't know for sure. There is not really any incentive on the big breeders to tell you what the combinations are just to protect their work as long as possible.

 

[AugeredIn]

Any color split to another color usually looks like the homogenous color. I know of only one possible exception and that is the peach combinations. Cameo split to purple looks like a middle coloration of cameo and peach.

 

[Garden Peas]

Thanks.... wish I had enough room up here to build enough pens to play with my favorite colors

maybe someday

 

[AugeredIn]

 

[AugeredIn]

All these splits and sex linked colors are killing me. I have been talking with a very sweet lady who is looking to sell a couple Peachicks, however she is not very good with genetics and has had the parents for awhile so her memory of what they were purchased as is a bit fuzzy. She thought the Male was a Purple-Midnight. She sent some pics and he very much appears to be a Purple BS Pied, she insists there is Midnight in there though, could he be split to Midnight, or would he have to have 2 Purple genes and no Midnight genes to be Purple? Also The mother of the chicks was purchased some years ago from Legg's as part of a Peach pair, the male died and the hen was put in with this male. Seeing pics of this hen she would have to be Peach BS if she's a Peach. What would chicks from this pairing be, other than BS which is obvious? Help!

Make sure that sweet lady knows what she has!

 

[Arbor]

I have several IB that are split to multiple colours. There is no way for me to tell which colours they are split to without knowing the pen they are in or checking bands and records. The advantage of using sexlinked colours is that you should be able to produce hens in a colour combo quicker than two non-sexlinked colours. Purple male split midnight is a good example. The absolute easiest thing to do to get purple-midnight hens is to breed this purple male to a midnight hen. This is actually a combo I'll be trying to start on next year, but working only in BS for one pair and BS on sp in another.