Help me figure out these mixed breeds!

[Ilovechickens2525]

These two are definite mixes, but I’m so curious to know what breed mix you guys think they are.

The black one so far is literally all black, maybe a bit of grey coming through on her feet.

These two originate from the same farm, it has primarily silverudds and marans (the marans are pure bred and in a separate barn) so I suspect both are mixed with silverudd. The farm did have a few ayam cemani at one point; and wyandottes, also at one point had some bergs brown. Also currently has some crele legbar. I have some silverudds I got there that have crests, so I suspect somewhere along the line a legbar was mixed with their silverudd line.

So for the black one, do you think silverudd/legbar mixed with ayam cemani? I’m just confused how she could be SO black?? I have one I got last year sold as a silverudd that’s pretty darn, dark face, but her comb and wattles are red.

The second one has a dad who was a total mix and the mom is either a brown layer or the roosters offspring from last year who was a mix of him and a brown layer. The rooster came from the same farm. The guy thought he was a silverudd mixed with maybe a bergs brown or something. But how is she so splash like?? And looks a little bit fibro too. The mom can only be a brown layer (like isa brown type hen) or this roosters offspring from last year.

 

[Ilovechickens2525]

This is the white chickens dad when he was a young boy.

 

[Cloverr39]

But how is she so splash like?? And looks a little bit fibro too.

The white chicken isn't splash, she's paint. She has one copy of the dominant white gene over a black base. And I don't really see the "fibro" you're talking about. Her beak looks a little dark, sure, but similar in color to her dad's. She has kind of dark legs, but non-fibro birds can have dark legs too.

 

[Ilovechickens2525]

The white chicken isn't splash, she's paint. She has one copy of the dominant white gene over a black base. And I don't really see the "fibro" you're talking about. Her beak looks a little dark, sure, but similar in color to her dad's. She has kind of dark legs, but non-fibro birds can have dark legs too.

Oh I didn’t mean she is fibro. She’s a complete bym, both parents are mixed!

I was looking for input on what breeds people thought she was mixed on. Sorry if I didn’t get the correct terminology in my post, that’s not really what I was looking for input on.

I’d love if you explained what paint meant if that is the correct terminology rather than splash.

I have silverudd splashes which came from the farm her rooster dad came from so I was thinking that’s where the colouration came from. It sounds like you have a different idea of her genetics though? What’s your take?

Silverudds have grey legs so I thought she was likely part silverudd.

 

[Cloverr39]

Oh I didn’t mean she is fibro. She’s a complete bym, both parents are mixed!

I understand she's a mixed breed. Mixed breeds can be fibro too, that just means they have the gene for black skin, fibromelanosis. I was saying she doesn't look like she has the black skin gene.

I’d love if you explained what paint meant if that is the correct terminology rather than splash.

I see paint and splash often get confused. Genetically, splash happens when a chicken has two copies of the blue gene. They have a mainly white or pale grey base color with blue spots.
Paint chickens are white with black spots. It's caused by the bird having one copy of the dominant white gene, and that's not enough to color the whole bird white, so it creates the black spots you see. Think of it as "holes" in the layer of white that reveal the color underneath.

I have silverudd splashes which came from the farm her rooster dad came from so I was thinking that’s where the colouration came from. It sounds like you have a different idea of her genetics though? What’s your take?

The rooster looks like he has dominant white, so that's likely where the white came from. Her spots are black, not blue, which means she's black based, not splash.

The black hen, on the other hand, does look like she has fibro (black skin), which means at least one of her parents had to have it too. I think it's pretty safe to say one of her parents was an Ayam Cemani. Could be a Legbar/Ayam Cemani cross. Black or blue Silverudd/Ayam Cemani could be possible too, if you say their Silverudds had crests, but definitely not from a splash Silverudd, because splashes cannot have black chicks.