Help needed customizing low estrogen and gluten free feed

[LoneStarBirds]

Texas naturals has layer and starter crumble, Milo peanut, oat, alfalfa and fish meal. My birds love it. They have beautiful feathers, great body condition. I use the elite and it’s non gmo

Not sure where you’re located, but they also have an offshoot called Southern Naturals. Same composition.

I ferment as well and the birds love it.

Thank you for sharing I really appreciate it!

 

[Guppy7]

Texas naturals has layer and starter crumble, Milo peanut, oat, alfalfa and fish meal. My birds love it. They have beautiful feathers, great body condition. I use the elite and it’s non gmo

Not sure where you’re located, but they also have an offshoot called Southern Naturals. Same composition.

I ferment as well and the birds love it.

Thank you so much I will look and see if I can get it. I live in eastern Washington. Thanks again for your input!

 

[Ital]

Chlorella is 61% protein, has all the amino acids, and can be grown on aquaponic waste water.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11685776/

Caution, in this study, while there were **slight** benefits at 0.1% inclusion, at rates of 1%, there were already some cautions. They correlated changes in the birds fecals to increased incidence of bumblefoot, which they suspected resulted from increased footpad dermatitis.

Study has its limits - it was brief (38 days) and used Ross Broilers. OTOH, they used a lot of them - over 800 in each group, so its not one of those 20 birds for 2 month studies were random chance can swallow the study results.

This study (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10044532/) summarizing other studies, found the nutritional value of chlorella to be highly variable, and limited in part by indigestible carbs (resembling chitin and cellulose). Concluded that method of production is key. SO either read your guaranteed nutritional assay or assume that you can't rely on averages for chlorella intended for organic human consumption.

 

[Ital]

@U_Stormcrow Wow, interesting. I’ve not noticed any issues in quail at 3%.

https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02932-8

The above didn’t notice any adverse effect in broilers at 10%.

Re. ‘Changes to the birds fecals’ the following notes a positive impact on the microbiome at 1%.


https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0313736#:~:text=In addition, Chlorella vulgaris contributes,observed by Roques et al.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Wow, interesting. I’ve not noticed any issues in quail at 3%.

https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02932-8

The above didn’t notice any adverse effect in broilers at 10%.

they were looking at blood chemistry mostly, few other indicators of chicken health - and as often happens, differing studies can sometimes reach seemingly contrary conclusions. That's when you need to start looking at the differences, see if there is an obvious "why". Often, the rest of the diet is a factor. More often, the differences aren't obvious, even on close reading.

 

[Ital]

they were looking at blood chemistry mostly, few other indicators of chicken health - and as often happens, differing studies can sometimes reach seemingly contrary conclusions. That's when you need to start looking at the differences, see if there is an obvious "why". Often, the rest of the diet is a factor. More often, the differences aren't obvious, even on close reading.

The local ducks seem to be doing quite well eating mostly algae and a bit of bread people give them, pretty sure it’s not the bread that’s keeping them in such good health.

 

[Altairsky]

Let's not be ridiculous. Feral ducks eat a variety of foods, not just chlorella and bread.
According to what nearby people see, they can say that my chickens do quite well eating mostly grass and a bit of bread I give them, and they are pretty sure it's not the bread that's keeping them in such good health.
Now go ahead and feed your chickens grass only, and see how it goes. This is how ridiculous your sentence sounds.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

The local ducks seem to be doing quite well eating mostly algae and a bit of bread people give them, pretty sure it’s not the bread that’s keeping them in such good health.

Assumes facts not in evidence re: both diet and state of relative health. Most assuredly, the local ducks are eating more than primarily algae with bits of bread. and no, in general, bread is not a good diet for ducks, poultry, or much of anything else... On that, we are agreed.

 

[Ital]

Let's not be ridiculous. Feral ducks eat a variety of foods, not just chlorella and bread.
According to what nearby people see, they can say that my chickens do quite well eating mostly grass and a bit of bread I give them, and they are pretty sure it's not the bread that's keeping them in such good health.
Now go ahead and feed your chickens grass only, and see how it goes. This is how ridiculous your sentence sounds.

My point was that ducks are eating far more than @U_Stormcrow suggests would be a safe dose without developing any health issues, a ridiculous amount by my observation.

They spend a large part of the day pecking it from the hull of my boat which makes a good relaxing sound and saves me a job.
I would guess it’s probably where they’re getting the majority of their protein from.

Strange that suggesting it as a source of protein for chickens would be considered so controversial, I’ve never seen one eat soya, that would be ridiculous.