Help needed customizing low estrogen and gluten free feed

[Ital]

@saysfaa I quoted it on page 8..

‘The hepatoprotective effects of Spirulina have been well documented in poultry, including in the study by Selim et al. (2018), who observed significant improvements in liver function biomarkers in laying hens. Specifically, dietary supplementation with Spirulina was associated with reduced serum levels of cholesterol, alanine aminotransferase (ALT), and aspartate aminotransferase (AST) which are key indicators of hepatic integrity and metabolic health’

 

[saysfaa]

The soya we import here is grown on an area the size of wales of freshly cut rainforest, that’s why it’s cheap. The offset cost is the health of your birds, the planet, and you.

The soy I feed is grown in the same county I live in. Or the next one, maybe.

Here, it is cheap because beans are among the most nutritious plants, among the most productive crops, among the most versatile products, take less fertilizer and water than most crops, and are among the easiest to harvest, transport, and store. Oh, and pairs well with corn in crop rotations which cuts down on pests.

For what it is worth, I systematically avoid soy in what I eat because it is in nearly everything and there so highly processed it isn't food anymore. Like white sugar. The soybean oil meal in chicken feed is minimally processed.

The offset costs if I were to feed other things are basically, the reciprocal of the reasons soybeans are cheap here: more resources needed for the alternative cropsland, water, fertilizer, harvest costs, processing costs, transportation costs, storage costs) for lower yield.

I'm sorry to hear of your sister's health issues and very happy you have found a solution that works for your health issues.

 

[saysfaa]

@saysfaa I quoted it on page 8..

‘The hepatoprotective effects of Spirulina have been well documented in poultry, including in the study by Selim et al. (2018), who observed significant improvements in liver function biomarkers in laying hens. Specifically, dietary supplementation with Spirulina was associated with reduced serum levels of cholesterol, alanine aminotransferase (ALT), and aspartate aminotransferase (AST) which are key indicators of hepatic integrity and metabolic health’

To me that still looks like: we know the reason cholesterol levels are lower because of reduced injury is because cholesterol levels are lower.

Perhaps I am missing something. Oh. Maybe. The link is to a review. I read it four times before I found the imbedded link to Selim. Partly because this is cherry, blueberry, and plum harvest season. And partly because I'm looking on a phone. I'll read Selims when I have a better chance of absorbing it - probably tomorrow.

 

[Ital]

@saysfaa And ‘alanine aminotransferase (ALT), and aspartate aminotransferase (AST) which are key indicators of hepatic integrity and metabolic health’

‘The soy I feed is grown in the same county I live in. Or the next one, maybe.’

This is reassuring to hear, I wish the same could be said here. Chlorella can be grown on aquaponic waste water and doesn’t suffer any pests, there’s a company here that grows Carlin peas to help reduce our dependence on soya and claims it’s a preferable alternative but has also published research suggesting that even with all available alternatives, in order to eliminate our dependence on soya without reallocation of more land for agriculture we need to reduce our consumption of meat.

‘a solution that works for your health issues.’

I don’t believe these issues are specific to me or even those with a genetic predisposition to autoimmune disease, it’s a direct result of the combination of high lectin food and herbicide. Obesity levels are getting worse here, this affects everyone.

 

[saysfaa]

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An accurate statement of fact ...

Herein lies one of the problems.

I, and many others on this forum, are willing to consider new information. Facts, though, often aren't as concrete as they may seem at times. These two, for example.

Nutritionist, Karen Hurd the Bean Queen

Facts

 

[Ital]

@saysfaa Agreed, there’s often an insensitive to find a particular result.

Not sure about the first bean lady, it doesn’t say much about her methods, I’d have to look her up.

The flaw in the second link is pretty obvious though, they’re talking about a short term lethal dose. Tiny amounts of herbicide in high lectin food takes years to kill you, it’s a horribly slow and painful way to go.

The herbicide doesn’t kill you directly, it just destroys your microbiome which makes you more vulnerable to everything else, particularly lectins.
Even in residual amounts the effects are devastating, we can’t use manure as fertiliser here any more because there’s enough herbicide in it to wipe out an allotment, one of the reasons I decided to start keeping quail.

 

[Mother of Chaos]

@Mother of Chaos The soya we import here is grown on an area the size of wales of freshly cut rainforest, that’s why it’s cheap. The offset cost is the health of your birds, the planet, and you.

I can’t find a suitable pellet feed for my needs here either so I make my own.

An accurate statement of fact is not a ‘little slam’ and certainly wasn’t intended to be. Almost everyone on here does feed their birds on soya, it is difficult to get the protein levels high enough without it which is why I suggested chlorella to the op. It’s very high protein.

I’m impoverished myself to say the least but invest the majority of the little money I do have in my health, if you choose to prioritise differently fair enough but there are alternatives to the modern diet that can improve the health of you and your birds, chlorella is one of them.

‘doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.’ My little sister recently lost the use of one arm as a result of autoimmune disease triggered by lectins, she’s clinically obese, can barely walk, and has been given 3 to 5 years to live. She won’t change her diet, it’s very sad.

Umm, ok. FWIW, I try very hard to find soy- (and corn-) free products. I’m certainly no defender of soy. I’m just pointing out that economic factors are a very real thing, and that not everyone can afford to make their own feeds, especially if they have only a few birds. (Economies of scale.)

I’m in shouting distance of finally getting my BSc in Ecology and Environmental Science at the age of 70, with an emphasis on regenerative agriculture, so thanks I guess for explaining the environmental destruction caused by industrial agriculture.

When I mentioned the “little slam,” I suppose I was trying to suggest that you learn to read the room before making speeches.

I’m very sorry about your sister. I know that must be heartbreaking.

 

[Ital]

Thanks, it is really heartbreaking watching her decline, mentioning any kind of change to the way she eats in as kind a way as I can is literally like asking her to change her religion, I can be blunt in my communication but am always well intended, I don’t think any kind of approach would get through to her, she won’t change.

I think it is just more expensive on any scale eating well, it helps with economy of scale I also eat a lot of the things I feed my birds but I couldn’t afford to keep any more of them than I do.

I was reading some research from Indonesia talking about replacing soy with mealworms to reduce the cost of poultry feed but it would be much cheaper here for me to use pre made soy based pellet feed than to make my own alternative. I have a little mealworm farm but need to scale it up before I can stop buying them in.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/788/1/012079/pdf#:~:text=The addition of mealworms up,of the mealworms [6].

 

[Ital]

I’m in shouting distance of finally getting my BSc in Ecology and Environmental Science at the age of 70, with an emphasis on regenerative agriculture,

 

[Sally PB]

Eating better, more healthful food is cheaper in the long run, if it keeps you healthier. Health is VERY expensive to buy back if you lose it. If you can ever get it back.