HELP!!! ORGAN FALLING OUT

[ChickenMama1988]

Three times a day in their water for 2 weeks. The vet offered antibiotics but I'd rather try something natural first which they said was fine. I'm in the US

do you have updated on how it worked? i’m so worried my girls won’t be drinking enough if i don’t administer it individually but i’m not sure how to do that

 

[coach723]

@ChickenMama1988 , the original poster has not been back on since 2020 it appears, so they may no longer be active on this forum and may not answer.
Can you tell us what's going on with your bird/birds? What product are you using, and where are you, in general, in the world?

 

[ChickenMama1988]

@ChickenMama1988 , the original poster has not been back on since 2020 it appears, so they may no longer be active on this forum and may not answer.
Can you tell us what's going on with your bird/birds? What product are you using, and where are you, in general, in the world?

Hi yes!! I’m in the US. 3 out of 7 of my birds have pale combs and i found worms in one of their poops! I immediately worried and the only thing i can get immediately is the HomeoVet Wrm Clear drops! The directions say to add 5 drops to 8oz of water 3 times per day but that’s for 1 bird, i cant be sure they will all get the correct dose, so i’d like to give it them individually but idk how to dose it and im afraid if i don’t take immediate action i will lose them

 

[coach723]

I'm not sure you can use that without adding it to water, it's dosing says to give it in at least 8 oz of water. Do you have any pictures of the worms you saw in the droppings? Dosing and medications can be different depending on what they are.
If you are in the US then you should be able to get Safeguard liquid goat wormer fairly easily, or you can also use the Safeguard horse paste. Those wormers will take care of everything except tapeworm. That medication is much more effective in getting rid of internal parasites. I've been doing it regularly for many years and have never hurt or killed a bird by worming them. You can usually find Safeguard at many feed stores and tractor supply stores. Unless you have a bird that is acting very sick, you can wait until you can get the Safeguard. And that is direct dosed to each bird orally, so you will know for sure they got the correct dose.

 

[ChickenMama1988]

I'm not sure you can use that without adding it to water, it's dosing says to give it in at least 8 oz of water. Do you have any pictures of the worms you saw in the droppings? Dosing and medications can be different depending on what they are.
If you are in the US then you should be able to get Safeguard liquid goat wormer fairly easily, or you can also use the Safeguard horse paste. Those wormers will take care of everything except tapeworm. That medication is much more effective in getting rid of internal parasites. I've been doing it regularly for many years and have never hurt or killed a bird by worming them. You can usually find Safeguard at many feed stores and tractor supply stores. Unless you have a bird that is acting very sick, you can wait until you can get the Safeguard. And that is direct dosed to each bird orally, so you will know for sure they got the correct dose.

thank you for the info!! i know i can get safe guard but wanted a natural option. I don’t even take things myself that aren’t natural and i also didn’t want to deal with egg withdrawal! I added the drops to their water and also put a drop on a watermelon wedge for each of them! Today their combs are a little brighter and the worms on their poop are dead so that’s good right?! i did find a natural product on amazon that is 2 doses 6 days apart but like anything i’m worried to give it to them.

 

[coach723]

I really have no idea if that product will really be effective or not. The only way to know for sure would be to have a fecal test done following treatment to see if there are any parasite eggs in the droppings. Most of the time when worms are expelled in droppings they will be dead or dying, regardless of treatment or not, they cannot survive outside the host. Birds carrying a heavy load of worms will sometimes expel some without treatment. It usually means there are a lot more inside. So you may have birds that have not expelled any, but are still carrying a load of worms. Without a fecal it's impossible to know for sure. I know that early in my chicken keeping I did try several methods of 'natural' treatments, and none of them were effective. After having very sick birds, and a couple that died, I decided that I was going to use treatments that were definitely effective. I use Safeguard and Valbazen all the time. I have never, ever had a problem with them. If your product does not kill all of them, they will just breed more. Most treatments, including the chemicals, kill the worms but not the eggs. So those can still hatch and you will be back where you started. So knowing what worm you are treating for, and dosing correctly are just as important, so that you are sure to break the reproductive cycle of them.

 

[ChickenMama1988]

I really have no idea if that product will really be effective or not. The only way to know for sure would be to have a fecal test done following treatment to see if there are any parasite eggs in the droppings. Most of the time when worms are expelled in droppings they will be dead or dying, regardless of treatment or not, they cannot survive outside the host. Birds carrying a heavy load of worms will sometimes expel some without treatment. It usually means there are a lot more inside. So you may have birds that have not expelled any, but are still carrying a load of worms. Without a fecal it's impossible to know for sure. I know that early in my chicken keeping I did try several methods of 'natural' treatments, and none of them were effective. After having very sick birds, and a couple that died, I decided that I was going to use treatments that were definitely effective. I use Safeguard and Valbazen all the time. I have never, ever had a problem with them. If your product does not kill all of them, they will just breed more. Most treatments, including the chemicals, kill the worms but not the eggs. So those can still hatch and you will be back where you started. So knowing what worm you are treating for, and dosing correctly are just as important, so that you are sure to break the reproductive cycle of them.

i took the advice of no natural treatment! i will continue giving them the drops daily in their water as a safety measure but i ended up getting ivermectin pour on .. i treated them last night and they already seem much better .. my girl who made me realize they had worms looks much better .. still not completely herself but it’s only 12 hours after the first treatment so i’m sure it takes more time!! We have ordered safeguard to have on hand if this doesn’t work? any other suggestions on medications we should keep on hand just in case! my girls are just a year old and i’m a first time chicken owner so i’m still learning. i’ll take any advice i can get ♡

 

[coach723]

Some internal parasites are becoming resistant to ivermectin, so that may or may not be effective, hard to say for sure. Safeguard is very effective for everything except tapeworm. Valbazen is also a very good wormer and the dose is a little smaller. I alternate with Safeguard and Valbazen. If you ever have an issue with tapeworm then a medication with praziquantel is best, you can get that in Equimax, or Zimectrin Gold horse wormers. Equimax gives more bang for the buck, but both will work.
It's good to have some basic wound care supplies, hibiclens, sterile saline, veterycin spray for flushing/cleaning, antibiotic ointment (plain neosporin, plain triple antibiotic ointment), vetwrap or cowrap for bandaging, gauze pads or telfa pads. I also keep calcium citrate +D (Citracal), a super B complex tablet or capsule, Vitamin E capsules and amoxicillin (you can get as Aqua Mox for fish without a prescription), Terramycin eye ointment (available without prescription), Corid or Toltrazuril or SMZ/TMP for coccidiosis, especially if you are raising chicks. Those are probably the most used items. Also a hydrocortisone cream, vaseline, and honey are useful if you have to deal with a prolapse. All manner of miscellaneous things can be helpful, it depends on how much you want to have. Oral syringes in several sizes are very helpful for flushing wounds and for giving medications (wormers) or fluid. Having supplies to tube feed or give fluids is helpful in those situations (https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/go-team-tube-feeding-updated-12-29-2019.805728/)
Scissors, bandage scissors, tweezers, q-tips, a digital scale to get weights on birds. I think as time goes by, you will learn what you use regularly and what is really helpful to have on hand in emergencies. Also a wire crate (or 2, or 3, or 4 ) are useful for birds that need to be separated or protected, also good for using to break broodies. I've probably left out a lot.....
Here are some threads on building first aid kits, there are a lot of variations based on personal experience, so give them a look over, see what strikes you as useful to have.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/search/10891071/?q=Chicken+first+aid+kit&t=post&o=relevance