Help please before this rooster becomes dinner

Discussion in 'Chicken Behaviors and Egglaying' started by lrayle, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. azygous

    azygous Flock Master

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    When you hold your rooster down, are you pushing his head to the ground while pinching the skin on the back of his neck? Are you holding him down until he becomes still? When you encounter him at other times, are you walking straight toward him, forcing him to move out of your way? Are you being absolutely consistent?
     
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  2. worldrob

    worldrob Out Of The Brooder

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    Our RIR Roo has started flogging us today as well. There had been a few signs in the past where he deemed to nip at me, but today he took a run at my wife in the morning and me later in the afternoon. I did challenge him right back, even tried to catch him but he flew away, and then ran. I am prepared too try all the suggestions offered, but I have two 5 year old sons, should I be worried about their safety?
    Hopefully he gets the message soon, because I won't mess around if the kids are at risk.
    Rob
     
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  3. faithm130

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    Well, we had several show birds penned together and one day our rooster started acting aggressively. Which was strange because he was our baby, we could hand feed, snuggle, take naps in the sun, and do every thing with him. I chose to carry around a spray bottle with me and spray hime several times if he showed and aggressiveness. This way we don't damage any feathers by holding him down etc. also, wave your arms and stomp when you spray him
     
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  4. Beekissed

    Beekissed Flock Master

    I'm going to give you a clue on "rooster speak"....holding him down doesn't mean anything to him. If you'll watch how roosters interact between dominant ones and subordinate ones, there is rarely any, if ever, holding a bird down for a long time when there is an altercation. There is very quick flogging, gripping by the back of the head and flinging him away or getting him down and giving some savage pecking to the back of the head or neck. No holding him down and nothing else. That's a rooster on a hen maneuver, not rooster on rooster.

    Because your rooster is attacking you, you are the subordinate in this picture. You are getting dominated by your bird simply because you are walking where a subordinate isn't supposed to be walking when a dominant is in the area. What you never see is a dominant rooster getting attacked by a subordinate rooster unless there is going to be a definite shift in power, at which time the sub will challenge the dom and win...or lose. So far you are losing and not even challenging.

    If you want to win this battle, you must go on the offensive, not the defensive. He who attacks first, and is still claiming the area when the other guy leaves it, is the winner. Some people never have to go on the offensive because their movements in the coop are so decisive that they move and act like a dominant and a 2 ft. rooster is smart enough to recognize a dominant attitude and behavior...which is likely why he's never attacked your husband. Most men move more decisively than do women and children and they rarely step around a bird, but walk through them.

    Carrying him around also doesn't mean anything to him...it just doesn't translate at all. His environment is that coop and run floor and that's where you need to speak to him, in a language he understands. Because they are quick on their feet and can evade you, you need a training tool like a long, limber, supple rod of some kind...cutting a nice switch from a shrub or tree that will lengthen your reach by 5 ft. really helps in this. Don't use a rake or broom because they are too clumsy and stiff and can put the hurts on the guy when you don't really mean to.

    When you enter your coop, walk with decisive movements and walk directly towards your rooster. Move him away from the feeder and the rest of the flock and keep a slow, determined pressure on him until he leaves the coop. The stick will help you guide him. Then...wait patiently while he gets his bird mind around what just happened. He will try to come back in the coop...let him. When he gets a good bit into that coop, take your switch and give him a good smack on the fluffy feathers under his tail if you can aim it well. If you cannot, just smack the floor near him very hard and fast until he hops and runs and keep at it until he leaves the coop once again. Repeat this process until he is too wary to come back in the coop.

    Feed your hens. When he tries to come to the feeder, you "attack" him with the switch...smack the wall by the pop door just as he tries to enter. If he makes it inside, pursue him with the stick either smacking the floor or tapping him on the back or the head until he leaves in a hurry. Make him stay outside while you sit there and enjoy watching your hens eat. Use the stick to keep him from the flock..just him. Don't worry about the hens running and getting excited when this is happening...they will get over it. This is for the future of your flock and your management of it.

    When the hens have had a good tucker....leave the coop and let him come back in. Go out later and walk through that flock and use your legs to scatter birds if they get in your way...top roosters do not step to one side for any other bird in the flock. You shouldn't either. Take your stick and startle him with a smack on the floor next to him when he is least expecting it...make that bird jump and RUN. Make him so nervous around you that he is always looking over his shoulder and trying to get out of your way. THAT'S how he needs to be from now on in your lives together. Forget about pets or cuddles...this is a language and behavior he understands. You can hand feed him and such later...right now you need to establish that when you move, he moves...away. When you turn your back, he doesn't move towards you...ever.

    Then test him...take your stick along, move around in the coop, bend over with your back turned to him, feed, water, etc....but keep one eye on that rooster. If he even makes one tiny step in your direction or in your "zone", go on the attack and run him clear on out of the coop. Then keep him out while everyone else is eating.

    THAT'S how a dominant rooster treats a subordinate. They don't let them crow, mate or even eat in their space. If the subordinate knows his place and watches over his shoulder a lot, he may get to come and eat while the other rooster is at the feeder...but he doesn't ever relax if he knows what is good for him. At any given time the dominant will run him off of that feed and he knows it, so he eats with one eye toward the door. If he feels the need to crow, it's not usually where the dom can reach him...maybe across the yard.

    If your rooster crows while you are there, move towards him and keep on the pressure until he stops. He doesn't get to crow while you are there. He can crow later...not while you are there.

    It all sounds time consuming but it really isn't...shouldn't take more than minutes for each lesson and you can learn a lot as you go along. And it can be fun if you venture into it with the right attitude....this is rooster training that really works if you do it correctly. This can work on strange roosters, multiple roosters and even old roosters...they can all learn. You rule the coop...now act like it. Carrying is for babies...you have a full grown rooster on your hands, not a baby. [​IMG]
     
  5. worldrob

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    Wow! Thanks BEEKISSED,Lots of good info. Tomorrow should be interesting. I definetly want to nip this in the bud ASAP. I will post tomorrow evening with an update.
     
  6. lrayle

    lrayle Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Yes I do The only thing I cant do is pinch is neck while holding him because it takes both hands But I do hold him until he doesnt move and I walk right over to him and not around him. I also offer him snacks when I give them to the girls I have held him down twice like that and will do it again tonight I feel like it helped I will keep you all posted Thanks for the help I really need it Oh he also squawked when I didnt let him up Than he give in and I gave him a few seconds longer before I let him go and he has to go my me to get back into the coup . I wonder if this is something I am going keep up or will he get it one day maybe with age
     
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  7. lrayle

    lrayle Chillin' With My Peeps

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    My problem is not in the coup He does this after I have given them their evening snack than I walk away to go to the other feeders I wish I could catch him than and hold him down but he wont let you He did try to square off with me maybe thats when I need the stick
     
  8. lrayle

    lrayle Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hey I just thought of a question while I was fixing a snack for them. Whenever I come with snack or not with snack they all come running to see if I have anything Mr rooster too So is this good do I not give him any snack till the girls get theirs
     
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  9. azygous

    azygous Flock Master

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    All of what Bee says is very, very valuable. Consistency, self-assurance, decisiveness, all are essential for dominating a problem roo. This is the way YOU need to behave! Your behavior plays a very important role in this picture. If you aren't self confident around your roo, and you aren't consistent in disciplining him, you'll continue to have problems. The hold and pinch method is a convenient way to immediately discipline and demonstrate to a roo that he has no choice but to accept your dominance over him. By pushing his head to the ground and pinching the back of his neck, he will associate his bad behavior with being controlled and humiliated.

    Discipline consists of addressing bad behavior immediately. When the little tyrant comes charging at your legs, getting ready to deliver a peck to your feet, stoop down and push him to the ground, immobilizing him, and pinch the skin on the back of his neck with the other hand. What you're doing is exerting dominance over him, preventing him from exerting his dominance over you, and yes, he will remember it, and you will not need to repeat it very often.

    Take things slowly. Watch his every move, and anticipate what he'll do. That way, you'll be ready to administer discipline if he misbehaves. This is a learning process for both of you. A young cockerel will need an attitude adjustment every few days until he gets it. You will see him begin to charge or make a move in your direction, stop, and reconsider. They do have thought processes. The first year with a new cockerel is the hardest. By age two, he pretty much has the message. By age three, with consistent discipline, you won't need to be on your guard any longer.

    And yes, train him to accept that the hens eat treats first.
     
  10. lrayle

    lrayle Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you for your input I really am learning a lot and really do want to keep pretty boy I guess I will have to remember to keep my guard up The problem is he never comes at me when Im looking and that is what gets me Im not afraid of him its just I have a bad reaction to the surprise of it But I will watch him better now Thank you
     

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