HELP!! SICK QUAIL CHICK!!!ASAP!!!!!

[lomine]

Unfortunately some chicks just aren't meant to make it. I have never had any luck saving a chick that wouldn't eat/drink on it's own. Quail chicks seem to be very fragile little things sometimes and there's not much you can do about it. Don't beat yourself up @Majak5

First I would check the temperature. Should be 90-95 for the first week and 5 degrees less per week after that. If they are too hold or too cold they can get stressed and go downhill fast.

Second I would put Nutri Drench in the water for all of them. I have actually given it straight to chicks that got too cold (they didn't figure out they needed to go under the hot plate) and after a little time warming up they were running around like crazy. You could also add some poultry vitamins for good measure.

What kind of feed are you giving them? Is it ground up nice and fine so they can eat it?

Have you noticed any bloody or yellow/foamy poop? If so you may be right in suspecting it's cocci. You'll need Corid to treat that.

 

[Darkestcon]

I would look at a few things first. I keep my temps at 100 for first week, no reason to drop the temp the moment they are born. especially when they cant warm themselves. Chick feed is good but note that alot of times you have to grind it. when you get the feed out it seems like plenty but consider how much of that feed they can actually eat and its really not alot. Especially when you have a 100 chicks or more. Make sure your feed is high protein. it has to be 30 percent. I dont care how many people say 24 percent etc. This isnt a chicken. Quail require higher protein that chickens do.

 

[lomine]

Actually 24% is good for growing chicks. Here is the conclustion from a scientific study.

"The findings of this study suggested that the levels of 23.08% and 21.95% of crude protein in the diet of Japanese quails are recommended for the rearing period (7 to 35 days) and laying period (42 to 98 days), respectively"

Here is the full study.
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1516-635X2003000200010

 

[Fishkeeper]

If it's just the one, it may be a "failure to thrive" chick, i.e. a chick that didn't quite develop right and probably won't make it. That happens sometimes with any hatch. It's a shame, but growing a baby is complicated, sometimes it goes wonky.

 

[Darkestcon]

Actually 24% is good for growing chicks. Here is the conclustion from a scientific study.

"The findings of this study suggested that the levels of 23.08% and 21.95% of crude protein in the diet of Japanese quails are recommended for the rearing period (7 to 35 days) and laying period (42 to 98 days), respectively"

Here is the full study.
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1516-635X2003000200010

"Actually". lets go to scientific studies. do a bit more homework and come back with the effects on weight and development as well as fertility. Egg loss. Also look at how prolific the egg layers are or are not. What you would find is that feed restrictions directly effect bird weight it actually has an effect on fertility rates etc. now this is entirely based on the AMINO ACID REQUIRMENTS BEING MET BEFORE DECIDING PROTEIN NEEDS. Since your probably not using a AMINO ACID suppliments you might wanna look at feed. When quoting scientific studies be sure you know what they are saying. Pay attention to the statement that AMINO ACID REQUIREMENTS ARE MET then protein requirements are studied. See with the requirements for amino acids met, manipulation of protein intake can be done. Seeing as protein helps meet amino acid requirements. Without the amino acid being taken care of first through a supplement, one is relying on protein alone to provide the amino acids. this increases the need for protein.

While you look up studies Also take a moment to look up what large scale bird farms are using. Give em a call. Call up James Marie Farms. Hes a super nice guy and could educate you and all of us on quail facts from now till the end of the month. You could also just look at their web pages and come up with a fair bit of information. Take Stellar Game Birds for instance:

Stellar Game Birds
"Feeding your Japanese Coturnix is very important. They need an unmedicated high protein Game bird feed of AT LEAST 24% protein from the start of life to breeding. In reality, 24% is too low for such productive birds. Protein provides the amino acids necessary for tissue growth and egg production. We recommend 28% of protein or higher. At times we even use 33% of protein by adding alfalfa sprouts and mealrooms to the diet."

Please not that they mention AMINO ACIDS


The following is if the AMINO ACID requirement is met
Dowarah & Sethi noted that the growth performance was higher in Japanese quail during starter (1 to 3 week) fed on high protein and high energy. Jordão Filho et al. noted that dietary requirement for protein gain was 30% higher for Japanese quails compared with the European, due to their being less efficient in the use of dietary protein to gain than European quails

The total protein requirement of laying Japanese quail was found to be slightly greater than 16% of the diet when quail were fed diets based on {important sentence following} either casein and soybean meal alone or casein and soybean meal SUPLMENTED with essential amino acids and glutamic acid.

Respectively you can state that your birds could survive on lower protein and even THRIVE. NOTE: that your birds will eat more this is scientifically proven. They will eat more to compensate for the protein that they are missing of course your amino acid levels have to be met first. End weight is repective across the board. Meaning that the differences in end weight are very close no matter the feed levels.

 

[lomine]

"Actually". lets go to scientific studies. do a bit more homework and come back with the effects on weight and development as well as fertility. Egg loss. Also look at how prolific the egg layers are or are not. What you would find is that feed restrictions directly effect bird weight it actually has an effect on fertility rates etc. You like your "jumbo" quail? might wanna look at feed. While you look up studies Also take a moment to look up what large scale bird farms are using. Give em a call. Call up James Marie Farms. Hes a super nice guy and could educate you and all of us on quail facts from now till the end of the month. You could also just look at their web pages and come up with a fair bit of information. Take Stellar Game Birds for instance:

Stellar Game Birds
"Feeding your Japanese Coturnix is very important. They need an unmedicated high protein Game bird feed of AT LEAST 24% protein from the start of life to breeding. In reality, 24% is too low for such productive birds. Protein provides the amino acids necessary for tissue growth and egg production. We recommend 28% of protein or higher. At times we even use 33% of protein by adding alfalfa sprouts and mealrooms to the diet."

Please not that they mention AMINO ACIDS


The following is if the AMINO ACID requirement is met
Dowarah & Sethi noted that the growth performance was higher in Japanese quail during starter (1 to 3 week) fed on high protein and high energy. Jordão Filho et al. noted that dietary requirement for protein gain was 30% higher for Japanese quails compared with the European, due to their being less efficient in the use of dietary protein to gain than European quails

The total protein requirement of laying Japanese quail was found to be slightly greater than 16% of the diet when quail were fed diets based on {important sentence following} either casein and soybean meal alone or casein and soybean meal SUPLMENTED with essential amino acids and glutamic acid.

Respectively you can state that your birds could survive on lower protein and even THRIVE. NOTE: that your birds will eat more this is scientifically proven. They will eat more to compensate for the protein that they are missing of course your amino acid levels have to be met first. End weight is repective across the board. Meaning that the differences in end weight are very close no matter the feed levels.

I am totally cool with debating differing opinions and I like when people share differing thoughts. It's also good to share experiences and "educate" others. But considering your unnecessarily rude and disrespectful undertone I'm not going to offer any further response. I've learned from past experiences that it's just not worth it.

 

[chickendreams24]

Wow guys let's keep this civil.

This thread is about someone needing help not if either of you are right or not.

Most people can only access a 24% protein. If they can get more great if not let's not condemn them.

Now for the little quail chicks that are dieing were these your own eggs or shipped?

What were these parent quail being fed. Any swelling in their abdomines or discoloration?

I'm thinking with the number lost and most seeming to thrive perhaps bacteria or a deficiency from the parents could be to blame especially if they have always been like this.

I would add nutridrench and save a chick to their water and try to get them to drink some egg yolk mixed with baby food carrots nutridrench and save a chick combined. You can also make this with apple sauce.

I've used it to great success with many chicks but I do find that when quail chicks start to fail there is usually nothing you can do.

 

[Darkestcon]

You must admit that my initial "rudeness". was based on your opening statement "actually" was unneeded and my first section of response was based on the snootiness of your beginning statement.

And your right that I gave some attitude. For that I apologize

All that aside I completely accept that you may not respond. I am however going to message you and see if we can come to some common ground. Hopefully we can come to an accord.

 

[Kiki]

Unfortunately the little chick just passed away. I have no idea why they are dying. Any ideas are welcome as I don’t want to lose any more

Sorry for your loss.
Coccidiosis is treated with Corid.

Corid Powder

• Kiki
• Apr 16, 2018

Corid Liquid

• Kiki
• Apr 16, 2018

Vitamins should not be given while on a Corid treatment.

 

[Kiki]