Hen with infected vent?

I tried handfeeding her oyster shell, but still no interest in food or drink. She was standing in the crate at the time and did a couple of "neck jerks" as if she was extending her head up (think of the motion you do before throwing up).

It pains me to see her like this, but I can't seem to help her. The more I research, it seems like either EYP or internal laying. She (i think it was her) used to lay turtle eggs often and eventually just soft eggs, despite them having good layer feed and free choice shells.
 

that's where the bulge is, leading me to think not eggbound, but I can palpate again. Initially I stuck my finger in and down maybe an inch and a half and felt no solid mass, but little bumpy things (intestine villi?).

I'm looking into internal laying now, but I'm not finding picture of hens with similar appearances.If she is internally laying, not much can be done right?
That sounds like oviduct cancer felt in one of mine. You want to see a graphic picture of it?

-Kathy
 
so did that hen have EYP? looks like eggs are dislodged lower in the oviduct which was in that lump. And if that lump looks like where i think it is, it's the same location as mine, between legs and vent
 
here is a video of her now. She's very lethargic and responds to no stimuli. Earlier she had a wad of oatmeal/seeds sticking out of her beak while trying to eat (normally she'd quickly shake it off or eat it) but she just stood there so i helped clean it off. At least she was trying to eat, but I don't understand how her energy levels could have dropped so lo so fast.

Just 4 hours ago I was corralling her in from the run and she was running around and eating freshly picked grass. Maybe she's depressed being alone?



if this is oviduct cancer, it seems to be a common thing with hatchery hens yes? What can be done about it? I was planning on having these girls for years and years, but if they're all going to get cancer at 2 years old, then I need to find a new source for chickens.
 
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Seems to have more than one thing going on. How old is this hen? If you said, I missed it. Seems to be a hatchery BR hen, not a young one, either, from the looks of her. The head snaking movement means the crop is probably becoming sluggish, which is more often than not a sign of system shutdown. They also do that when they have something caught in the throat or the crop is full and blocked, not necessarily because of anything specific she ate, but because the crop is simply shutting down and ceasing to move food through. I have an almost 7 year old Brahma hen who is having those issues, but she is nearing the end of her life and it seems par for the course, the crop issues at that stage. I once had a hen eat a frog that she had trouble getting down into her crop good and she needed massage and oiling up for a day or two to get that thing moving along. She did the neck movement a lot. She may not be eating because she realizes food isn't passing into her stomach. Hard to say since I cannot feel her crop and neck for myself.

The lump can be just fatty tissues. You're seeing it so prominent because she is molting and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Sometimes, during molt, many feathers ball up inside and make a mass under the skin. I have a hen who has a smaller lump, been there for a year, but a vet of a friend's that I spoke to over the phone who saw a photo of hers said it could be fatty tissue (yes, he is very familiar with chickens). The lump is still there, not causing any issues. Or it can be something else, an abscess of some sort. Hard to say unless you use a sterilized exacto blade point and carefully puncture the surface of it to see if you get clear fluid or blood.

Also, she could have egg issues, but that lump may not be related to that. Almost every hatchery hen I ever owned died from EYP and/or internal laying, including the BRs. Seems normal for them, sadly. I had one hen whose giant egg-within-an-egg dropped into her abdomen, but the only way I knew was that her belly was hard as concrete and she was losing weight rapidly. There was no bulge, in spite of the humongous mass in there. Those masses you see like that are rarely eggs.

You can't fix oviduct cancer or EYP or internal laying. EYP could be treated, IF you knew a hen had it, but you never do until you see end of life symptoms. It's bad genetics. My breeder hens just don't suffer from that stuff like hatchery stock. My advice would be to stop buying hatchery stock and get better stock, or you'll continually deal with this nasty stuff. I'm very sorry, been there numerous times, but that Brahma I mentioned is my last hatchery hen. She's outlived every other one, but hasn't laid an egg in over a year and is showing her age badly now. The others, my originals, all died off, and the couple that didn't have EYP/Internal laying died from cancer.
 
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Seems to have more than one thing going on. How old is this hen? If you said, I missed it. Seems to be a hatchery BR hen, not a young one, either, from the looks of her. The head snaking movement means the crop is probably becoming sluggish, which is more often than not a sign of system shutdown. They also do that when they have something caught in the throat or the crop is full and blocked, not necessarily because of anything specific she ate, but because the crop is simply shutting down and ceasing to move food through. I have an almost 7 year old Brahma hen who is having those issues, but she is nearing the end of her life and it seems par for the course, the crop issues at that stage. I once had a hen eat a frog that she had trouble getting down into her crop good and she needed massage and oiling up for a day or two to get that thing moving along. She did the neck movement a lot. She may not be eating because she realizes food isn't passing into her stomach. Hard to say since I cannot feel her crop and neck for myself.

The lump can be just fatty tissues. You're seeing it so prominent because she is molting and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Sometimes, during molt, many feathers ball up inside and make a mass under the skin. I have a hen who has a smaller lump, been there for a year, but a vet of a friend's that I spoke to over the phone who saw a photo of hers said it could be fatty tissue (yes, he is very familiar with chickens). The lump is still there, not causing any issues. Or it can be something else, an abscess of some sort. Hard to say unless you use a sterilized exacto blade point and carefully puncture the surface of it to see if you get clear fluid or blood.

Also, she could have egg issues, but that lump may not be related to that. Almost every hatchery hen I ever owned died from EYP and/or internal laying, including the BRs. Seems normal for them, sadly. I had one hen whose giant egg-within-an-egg dropped into her abdomen, but the only way I knew was that her belly was hard as concrete and she was losing weight rapidly. There was no bulge, in spite of the humongous mass in there. Those masses you see like that are rarely eggs.

You can't fix oviduct cancer or EYP or internal laying. EYP could be treated, IF you knew a hen had it, but you never do until you see end of life symptoms. It's bad genetics. My breeder hens just don't suffer from that stuff like hatchery stock. My advice would be to stop buying hatchery stock and get better stock, or you'll continually deal with this nasty stuff. I'm very sorry, been there numerous times, but that Brahma I mentioned is my last hatchery hen. She's outlived every other one, but hasn't laid an egg in over a year and is showing her age badly now. The others, my originals, all died off, and the couple that didn't have EYP/Internal laying died from cancer.
She was born in the spring of 2011 (started ;laying in september/october 2011)so just over 2 yr. How can I massage her crop, just up/down strokes in front of her chest?

The other 3 don't have the lump, but that's not to say that 1/4 can't have benign fatty tissues. I don't feel comfortable slicing her open to look as infection could set in.

These were purchased from a private seller who have about 50 BRs, but he may have indeed got them from a hatchery.

On a side note, she recently began eating (yogurt, cantaloupe, but didn't touch pellets) and drinking my ACV water finally. She was also cleaning herself. It's the most activity I've seen all day since going into the kennel. Can't blame her since kennels suck compared to open space and friends.

Also, the crop and the ball aren't in the same site. I can palpate her crop and see, but I don't see how that's related
 
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I'm not saying the crop and the lump on her bum are related, remember, I said she has more than one thing going on here. I'm saying that her downhill spiral, her general condition, whatever is going on inside of her other than the lump may result in the symptom of crop stasis.


The lump can be poked, not sliced open, per se. You can do it with alcohol swabbing, then poking with sterilized exacto knife blade, then put antibiotic ointment on it, hardly any danger of infection. It's just to see if infection comes out. If you can't do it, you need to consult someone who has experience doing this stuff or just leave it alone and hope it's just fatty tissue. Sometimes it's the only way you can find out what you're dealing with. If she's laying internally, that lump is most likely NOT related. I've had about 15 hens who died with cheesy masses inside and one with a huge egg that dropped into her abdomen that ended up killing her, but none had a lump like that. I have two with minor fatty cyst-like lumps on their bums right now, both are laying and completely fine. There are too many things a lump could be to diagnose on the internet. Chickens do get cysts on occasion.

I can tell she is hatchery stock. You bought her from a propagator of hatchery stock and there is nothing wrong with that, but they are VERY prone to reproductive issues that kill them, to be blunt. She is younger than she looks, probably because she isn't feeling well, but I lost my first hen to EYP at just past two years of age, then they started dropping progressively after that point.

Is her crop emptying? Is it huge and rock hard? Doughy like playdough? Bloaty and gassy? You need to determine that before a course of action can be determined. Sour crop can cause malnutrition. Impacted crop can cause malnutrition and also result in fermented feed sitting in there, in effect, giving them both impacted and sour crop, both of which can kill if it isn't fixed.

There are many things we chicken owners must do with our birds that would fall into the realm of veterinary work, mainly because most vets won't even touch a chicken and if they do, the price is astronomical and they end up killing the bird anyway, not knowing what they're doing. Much of it is unpleasant and takes a leap of faith after doing some careful research on course of action.

Hopefully, she just isn't feeling well due to her molting condition. That takes a lot out of them. Keep providing supportive therapy and hope for the best. If she is laying internally, there is nothing you can do for her, unfortunately. It's a genetic/hormone based malfunction, no prevention, no cure other than hysterectomy, which really isn't a cure, just avoiding the issue by removing her egglaying apparatus.

I know it's frustrating and scary and I hope I don't sound blunt. Just been through all this stuff so many times and everyone PM's me as the resident BYC expert on internal laying/EYP. I've just had lots of sad experience and now won't buy hatchery stock, at least not the common egg laying breeds they sell. Had better luck with my hatchery Brahmas than any of them.

ETA: Although I didn't say the lump on her rear and the crop were related, you'd be shocked at what can be related. A soft tissue leg injury can result in an internal infection, unseen, that can travel through the body, raging over time, and end up in an abscess out the abdomen or bum. Have seen it happen in a friend's bird who died from the resulting fly strike and maggots invading the body. No way she could have guessed or seen that coming, though I knew that soft tissue injuries need antibiotics from my own experience and had advised her of such as a precaution. The problem was the infection was so great, it needed super tough antibiotics, not just penicillin, and it just didn't end well, in spite of her excellent care of the bird and a vet's intervention at the end.
 
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Help! My chicken hates it when I pick her up and I love picking her up. What do I do?
 
Help! My chicken hates it when I pick her up and I love picking her up. What do I do?

You should post your thread in Behaviors and see what folks say.
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