Henry knoll New Hampshire

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Has anyone owned theses and maintained then for several years curious what to expect with them as far as egg laying do they breed true average weight and butcher age any noticed defects thanks in advance
 
Have you read through my thread about these? Freedom Ranger Hatchery is still breeding/selling Henry Knoll's line of New Hampshires as dual purpose birds. I've been raising mine for some time, and have noted my observations.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...rnish-rock-cross-and-ginger-broilers.1626577/

Now that you've brought my attention to it, I have a few more observations I can record today.

They lay nice medium to large size eggs. Was going to raise some from the egg last summer, but didn't get a broody hen. So I'm going to try for some second generation this year if I have a broody or time to incubate.
 
Yes I have read through it seems like had some issues with some your stock I’m trying decide if this is right choice for me to try dual purpose or if I’d be better of with true layers and broilers
 
I've only had one NH hen, but she had the best disposition of any chicken I've ever owned - friendly, not flighty, just a pleasant gal. She laid large dark tan/light brown eggs. If I ever move to standard fowl (I have Nankin bantams,) NHR is the breed I'll get.
 
Yes I have read through it seems like had some issues with some your stock I’m trying decide if this is right choice for me to try dual purpose or if I’d be better of with true layers and broilers
I keep a flock of production eggers and the New Hampshires. I tried a number of broilers and CX before I tried out the NH, and most of the bird breeds I tried worked okay for what they were, but I really wanted to have a self-sustaining flock of meat birds where I don't have to keep buying chicks. As a bonus, the NH lay eggs, and enough of them that you can hatch more and eat them. It really depends what your goals are for your flock(s).

In a perfect world, I would have a bird with the meatiness of a CX and the livability and instincts of a normal chicken that I could process at any time (not stuck to a two week window like for CX) and get nice large carcasses. I like the size of CX at around 9-10 weeks - they are monstrously huge at that point and still tender. The chickens would also reproduce reliably and create more chickens exactly like themselves. I also like getting daily eggs. So for me, having one flock of eggers (IMO almost too skinny to be worth my time processing, but others do it regularly) and one flock of these New Hampshires optimized for meat met most of my goals for the perfect chicken keeping experience. The dual purpose birds sold from most hatcheries are optimized for egg laying now, and are relatively skinny, IMO, so if I was going to make a go of having a dual purpose flock for meat, the NH has the perfect physical characteristics for me. Talk to others, and you'll get different opinions. There's no one right answer, just what's right for you.

Most of the issues I've encountered with the New Hampshires did not affect the meatiness or ability to reproduce of the birds, which were the most important criteria for me. The "angel wing", while it bothered me from a breed standard perspective, didn't get in the way of them being large and meaty or producing an adequate amount of eggs, and I could probably eventually breed it out. Compared to the rest of the broilers I've tried and the CX, the NH have had the best livability while also retaining their large and hefty stature. The occasional varus/valgus deformity, now that I know it might show up, doesn't bother me too much, as I'll just eat those birds anyway. Recall, I only had about 10 birds total to start with, so my population size is small. To get a true picture of the breed as a whole I'd probably need to buy a whole lot more of them at once, and then go from there, but I don't want to make the space for that - I've got to balance the amount of birds coming in with the amount of birds we eat and the rate at which we eat them, and my freezer space.

You could do what I did when I started out - purchase some NH, some White Rangers (3m broiler), and some of the Novagen White Leghorns or other production egger from Freedom Ranger and see what you like best. They even sell Easter Eggers and Chocolate Eggers. If the birds don't work for you, rehome or eat them and buy some more of what you think you'd like. Eventually you'll have a flock composition that works for you.

You can raise the NH and the production eggers in the same coop, if that's something you were wondering about. The NH are active enough that they interact with the smaller chickens pretty well.
 
Ok very good points and thanks for your response I currently have a lot of layers as we eat a lot of eggs and wanting to try meat chickens I have raised and maintained lines of poultry and was wanting something I could selectively breed and maintain not something that I had to depend on hatchery’s so thinking these New Hampshire maybe to right choice for me but was wanting to verify that they are breeding true and successfully for others
 
Also I intend to purchase 50-75 to start
If you intend to do that, you'd better place your order soon. Numbers available on the website are decreasing. They are sold straight run. The other two dual purpose breeds that FR hatchery sells are already sold out. I thought about getting a few of those to try them out, too late this year. Here's the status today at this moment:
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Ok very good points and thanks for your response I currently have a lot of layers as we eat a lot of eggs and wanting to try meat chickens I have raised and maintained lines of poultry and was wanting something I could selectively breed and maintain not something that I had to depend on hatchery’s so thinking these New Hampshire maybe to right choice for me but was wanting to verify that they are breeding true and successfully for others
Well, I haven't actually incubated any eggs from them yet and got chicks off of them. However, based on what I see (rooster is mating, hens and roo are in good health and moving around well after two years), and the fact that you'll be starting with 50-75 of them, I think you'll be able to establish a breeding population pretty quickly, with the best ones in your order. They produce a nice amount of healthy eggs, roughly 4-5 a week per hen (not many double yolkers or shell defects etc that indicate possible issues with growing chicks in the eggs). The egg size I've seen is medium to large, so you can select for larger eggs, and they lay in roughly similar shades of tan/brown.

Been meaning to put the fertilized leghorn eggs into my incubator to check fertility, just to see if they develop, but haven't gotten around to it (My NH roo is in with a few white leghorns that are currently laying, and one of them likes him and lets him mate her). I kinda don't want to throw the eggs out if they're developing, and I wasn't planning to raise NH x Leghorn mixes. We'll see if I get around to it, but it may be a bit.

Since you already have a lot of chickens, you may have dealt with this before, but the NH roo I have grows very large spurs. I trim them, but it's challenging to keep them short without removing the spur altogether (common rooster issue, not unique to these NH). When mating, if they're long enough, the spurs will cut up some of the NH hens, but not others, I think due to the shape/size of their backs and possibly length/sharpness of his spurs. I dealt with it by trimming periodically and putting chicken saddles on or rehoming the ones that were getting cut up. Eventually I removed the roo to give the girls a break for a while, since I wasn't actively hatching. So that's one thing to be looking for and consider when selecting which hens/roo(s) to keep.
 

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