Here we go again... botulism?? But HOW?

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by LovinMyPeeps, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. LovinMyPeeps

    LovinMyPeeps Sees Wine Dots

    Mar 22, 2009
    Heuvelton, NY
    So here is the information on my poor roo in a nutshell:

    Breed: Porcelain D'Uccle Bantam Roo
    Age: roughly 9 months old
    Habitat: Mildly heated coop fully enclosed and insulated, appropriate ventilation on 2x4 roosts with deep litter method pine shavings mixed with some fresh dry bedding straw.
    Food: Homestead Organics Layer, free choice grit, occassional organic millet as a treat.
    Water: untreated water in metal font on font heater changed daily at the very least, sometimes more.
    Cohabitants: mixed breeds that he has been in with for 9 months.
    Onset of Symptoms: Approximately a week. I found him hiding in one of the un-used egg boxes by himself. Upon lifting him he was noted to have paralytic symptoms in both legs. This symptom remains although he has use of both wings, his neck is occasionally appearing to be flaccid, but I think it's his balance. He can hold his own head up and does frequently. He can also move and hold his tail properly and holds it up which to me rules out a back injury.
    Poo: Progressed from neon green and white (and STINKY!!) with no parasites noted to what appears to be predominately urates or mostly white and powdery.
    Comb: Darkened around the edges thus suggesting respiratory...
    Treatment thus far: I started with a epsom flush as he appeared to have limber neck like my last roo did. I then moved on to a "chicken gatorade and probiotic diet" as I call it which includes a yogurt/oatmeal powder mash and weak pedialyte. Duramycin 72-200 .15cc daily was introduced on day 3 when he was noted to have gurgling noises in his upper respiratory tract after I gave him fluids. I feared possible pneumonia (should this be increased?? I based it on the swine dosing for weight) Orally, I had no Tylan and was not really sure what to buy only that I recognized the med as a tetracycline and thought it was worth a try. His eyes and nose appear clear, no drainage, bright/reactive eyes. He also recieves Poly-vi-sol, and b-12 daily as well as more probiotic.
    Food: He is extremely interested in mash and dives in head first billing it everywhere like he did when he was well.

    Is there anything else I should be doing? ThreeHorses, I have followed your old directions to a tee! I clean his bum religiously. I turn and position him. Keep him hydrated. If it was botulism will his ability to walk come back? Here's a picture of my poor baby...


    Thanks in advance for any help...
  2. kathyinmo

    kathyinmo Nothing In Moderation

    That doesn't look like botulism to me.

    You could give vitamin B-complex, polyvisol, and vitamin E (400-700 IU capsule contents) daily as well. I would use the actual B - as it's a B-complex and involves a number of B vitamins which aren't included in the polyvisol.
  3. ranchhand

    ranchhand Rest in Peace 1956-2011

    Aug 25, 2008
    What a puzzle, so sorry your beautiful roo is sick. How certain are you of the botulism diagnosis? I had to look it up, and those are some pretty bad conditions to aquire it, and I doubt you have those conditions!

    Is there any chance he got some moldy feed? I had a roo get sick this year, the main symptom being leg paralysis. He ate and drank fine, no one else got sick, (I isolated him with one other bird as a mean and awfully chancy test), and after 4 weeks had him put down. Results of the necropsy were permanant neurological damage from a fungus found in moldy feed. I finally found the source of the moldy feed in a crevice under the coop, where the rain had gotten to feed spilled.

    ETA, not this year, LAST year.
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2010
  4. lishah2000

    lishah2000 Chillin' With My Peeps

    I had a roo that looked just like that. He was about 4 or 5 months old. I have him the B-complex, E, polyvisol and hand feeding formula. I also exercised his legs as often as I could and kept him clean. He did recover but it took a long time. He had ups and downs and I considered putting him down several times. It probably took a few weeks before he could get around on his own and quite a few more for him to regain good balance.

    He never stopped eating and had a strong will.
  5. LovinMyPeeps

    LovinMyPeeps Sees Wine Dots

    Mar 22, 2009
    Heuvelton, NY
    I change and disinfect the feeder weekly and feed daily. Not sure where he could have aquired moldy food as they are confined this time of year, tons of snow= no free ranging. I just dont know. The b is a liquid natural b-complex. I exercise his legs often and will do a lower belly/vent/leg soak clean and massage him then dry him completely (then cuddle him in a warm towel which suprisingly he doesnt seem to mind). I just hope he comes back from this [​IMG]

    I have found during all this, that cat beds make excellent nests....
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2010
  6. Derrick

    Derrick Chillin' With My Peeps

    Dec 22, 2009
    West Central, FL
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2010
  7. LovinMyPeeps

    LovinMyPeeps Sees Wine Dots

    Mar 22, 2009
    Heuvelton, NY
    They're Mareks vaccinated.... and they've had no new exposure so I dont think that's a possibility....
  8. kathyinmo

    kathyinmo Nothing In Moderation

    My thoughts are that it is a vitamin deficiency. I am no expert, just my thoughts.
    Good luck! [​IMG]

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