Heritage & Exhibition Turkey Thread

I agree with the sentiment, we don't want to lose our heritage turkeys. HOWEVER, buying then breeding poults from Ideal, McMurray or Randall Burkey (probably from Ideal anyway, they're drop shippers) is not going to help conserve these breeds. They're not quality birds, and isn't it quality birds we want to preserve?
 
True preservation or conservation is breeding the bird to the Standard of Perfection. This is not about showing, though at a show we can compare our birds and allow a lisenced judge to critque them. This spring I ordered a few Buff ducks from a hatchery. They were not up to standard. This fall I ordered some more from Metzer Farms. They are like day and night in quality. The Turkeys are about the same. You may get a few quality Turkeys from a hatchery, but most will not be up to the SOP.
 
Especially for a beginner though, it pays to start with quality (although that also seems to be something you have to learn with time LOL). After you have pens of hatchery birds to feed, and start hatching quality eggs from breeders, the expenses really seem to add up.

With most hatchery birds it would take even an expert several years to come up with the quality that could be acquired from day one from another breeder. The birds won't mature any faster no matter who is raising them.
 
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lol... ive been sick lately and so im broke broke broke... Tom Walker(sp?) has them 2... i may end up ordering them next year for 2012 delivery...

Here is a thought. Check with Kevin and see if you can get just 5 Regal Reds and add them to my poult order. The shipping would be almost nothing and we can bring them to a meetup. They are currently $12.99 each with a limit of 6.

what did you order from Porters???
 
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Here is a thought. Check with Kevin and see if you can get just 5 Regal Reds and add them to my poult order. The shipping would be almost nothing and we can bring them to a meetup. They are currently $12.99 each with a limit of 6.

what did you order from Porters???

We are getting some Narragansett, Blacks and Jersey Buff poults. Could spare space for 5 Regal Reds in the box.

We wanted Heritage breeds that were already in the SOP so that we could also compete in APA sanctioned shows. Plus we wanted a breed that was beautiful. The Jersey Buffs is a breed that I started with in 1982 and sold out when I went to college. They were almost extinct and a few dedicated breeders brought them back. I am hoping to see enough breeders in five years to have them qualified for entry into the standard. We only need 5 breeders to certify that they have bred the Jersey Buff for 5 years and then have 50 birds shown at two sanctioned meets. That is only 10 birds per breeder. Three trios and a hen per exhibitor. It can be done.

We need more Turkey breeders/owners to exhibit their turkeys. We had 60 entries at the APA National in Shawnee, yet only four Turkeys showed up in the Open Show. At the Arkansas State Fair there were 9 turkeys. Yet, Porter Turkeys are booked up to May and most hatcheries sale out of turkeys every year. We should have more in exhibition. This spring at the Spring Livestock Show, Little Rock, AR, SkyBlueEgg walked away with $150 in prize money for a pair of Bourbon Reds. She deserved it. The birds were nice. But she had no competition.
 
The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy's
Definition of a Heritage Turkey
http://www.albc-usa.org/HeritageTurkey.html


All domesticated turkeys descend from wild turkeys indigenous to North and South America. They are the quintessential American poultry. For centuries people have raised turkeys for food and for the joy of having them.

Many different varieties have been developed to fit different purposes. Turkeys were selected for productivity and for specific color patterns to show off the bird’s beauty. The American Poultry Association (APA) lists eight varieties of turkeys in its Standard of Perfection. Most were accepted into the Standard in the last half of the 19th century, with a few more recent additions. They are Black, Bronze, Narragansett, White Holland, Slate, Bourbon Red, Beltsville Small White, and Royal Palm. The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy also recognizes other naturally mating color varieties that have not been accepted into the APA Standard, such as the Jersey Buff, White Midget, and others. All of these varieties are Heritage Turkeys.

Heritage turkeys are defined by the historic, range-based production system in which they are raised. Turkeys must meet all of the following criteria to qualify as a Heritage turkey:

1. Naturally mating: the Heritage Turkey must be reproduced and genetically maintained through natural mating, with expected fertility rates of 70-80%. This means that turkeys marketed as “heritage” must be the result of naturally mating pairs of both grandparent and parent stock.

2. Long productive outdoor lifespan: the Heritage Turkey must have a long productive lifespan. Breeding hens are commonly productive for 5-7 years and breeding toms for 3-5 years. The Heritage Turkey must also have a genetic ability to withstand the environmental rigors of outdoor production systems.

3. Slow growth rate: the Heritage Turkey must have a slow to moderate rate of growth. Today’s heritage turkeys reach a marketable weight in about 28 weeks, giving the birds time to develop a strong skeletal structure and healthy organs prior to building muscle mass. This growth rate is identical to that of the commercial varieties of the first half of the 20th century.

Beginning in the mid-1920s and extending into the 1950s turkeys were selected for larger size and greater breast width, which resulted in the development of the Broad Breasted Bronze. In the 1950s, poultry processors began to seek broad breasted turkeys with less visible pinfeathers, as the dark pinfeathers, which remained in the dressed bird, were considered unattractive. By the 1960s the Large or Broad Breasted White had been developed, and soon surpassed the Broad Breasted Bronze in the marketplace.
Today’s commercial turkey is selected to efficiently produce meat at the lowest possible cost. It is an excellent converter of feed to breast meat, but the result of this improvement is a loss of the bird’s ability to successfully mate and produce fertile eggs without intervention. Both the Broad Breasted White and the Broad Breasted Bronze turkey require artificial insemination to produce fertile eggs.

Interestingly, the turkey known as the Broad Breasted Bronze in the early 1930s through the late 1950s is nearly identical to today’s Heritage Bronze turkey – both being naturally mating, productive, long-lived, and requiring 26-28 weeks to reach market weight. This early Broad Breasted Bronze is very different from the modern turkey of the same name. The Broad Breasted turkey of today has traits that fit modern, genetically controlled, intensively managed, efficiency-driven farming. While superb at their job, modern Broad Breasted Bronze and Broad Breasted White turkeys are not Heritage Turkeys. Only naturally mating turkeys meeting all of the above criteria are Heritage Turkeys.

Prepared by Frank Reese, owner & breeder, Good Shepherd Farm; Marjorie Bender, Research & Technical Program Manager, American Livestock Breeds Conservancy; Dr. Scott Beyer, Department Chair, Poultry Science, Kansas State University; Dr. Cal Larson, Professor Emeritus, Poultry Science, Virginia Tech; Jeff May, Regional Manager & Feed Specialist, Dawes Laboratories; Danny Williamson, farmer and turkey breeder, Windmill Farm; Paula Johnson, turkey breeder, and Steve Pope, Promotion & Chef, Good Shepherd Farm
 
If you are a member of the Exhibition Turkey Fanciers, please contact me privately to recieve a ballot for our Officers election. Only members of the ETF may vote. The polls will remain open until Monday, February 7, 2010. So please vote soon.

For President: Laura Undem
Morrow, AR
Nominated by Jim Groth 2nd by Jim A Hall

For Vice President: Elias Watson
Clinton, Arkansas
Nominated by Self 2nd by Jim Hall


For Moderator/Secretary-Treasurer: Jim A. Hall
Monticello, Arkansas
Nominated by Self 2nd by Elias Watson

For District 2 Director: Erik Jorgensen
Ithaca, NY
Nominated by Self 2nd by Jim Hall

For District 7 Director: Jim A. Hall
Monticello, Arkansas
Nominated by Self 2nd by Elias Watson
To serve until the BOD can appoint a Director.

For District 9 Director: Dakota Darst
Union, OR
Nominated by Self 2nd by Jim Hall

To serve as Turkey Genetic Technical Adviser:
Kevin Porter of Porter Rare Heritage Turkeys

If you would like to serve as a district director, please contact me asap and we can submit your nomination to the members. The ETF districts are the same as the APA districts.
 
Here is the Exhibition Turkey Fanciers Breeders Listings: http://exhibitionturkeyfanciers.bravehost.com/directory.html


Congratulations
to our new officers! We still have several District Director positions open and will be looking for folks to be nominated or volunteer for those positions. When we have a candidate we will open a poll and allow the members to vote.

Here are our officers for 2011-12:

Exhibition Turkey Fanciers Officers:



President: Laura Undem, Arkansas



Vice President: Elias Watson, Arkansas



Moderator/Secretary-Treasurer: Jim A. Hall

467 Old Dermott Road

Monticello, Arkansas 71655

870/723-3724

[email protected]



Board of Directors:



District 1: Open

District 2: Erik Jorgensen, New York

District 3: Open

District 4: Open

District 5: Open

District 6: Open

District 7: Jim Hall till filled

District 8: Open

District 9: Dakota Darst, Oregon

District 10: Open

District 11: Christine Reid, Canada

District 12: Open

Turkey Genetic Technical Adviser: Kevin Porter of http://www.porterturkeys.com
 
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I agree 100% Hound, it just floors me that a group promoting heritage turkeys recommends hatchery birds time and time again. It's a good thing there are groups like the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy and the Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities that are working to preserve them. We are proud members of both groups.

Steve
 

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