Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[fowlman01]

Plymouth White Rocks.  That's the only bird I would consider truly dual purpose...excellent lay and incredible meat production. 

The New Hampshires that are being shown the last few years are really dual purpose and they grow faster than Rock's

 

[BGMatt]

Plymouth White Rocks.  That's the only bird I would consider truly dual purpose...excellent lay and incredible meat production. 

Variety doesn't matter, breed does, but there's a huge group of dual purpose fowl. Plymouth Rock, Wyandotte, Rhode Island Red, New Hampshire (heck any of the American Class breeds qualify), then Orpington, Australorp, Sussex, Dorking, Langshan, Favorelles, the list goes on and on. There's far more dual purpose fowl then there are specialty fowl. And it does depend on how they're bred as well.

People are too narrow minded when it comes to chickens.

 

[Fred's Hens]

Pretty sure Bee knows about the various choices, so I'm guessing she just meant as "her" personal choice, that's all.
Not sure anything can compete with the dual purpose, early maturity/eggs bang for the buck of the orange birds right now.

 

[Beekissed]

I guess I should have prefaced that statement with a clarifying word or two. White Plymouth Rocks are the only birds I've had that I consider to be truly dual purpose. I've had NH, BR, PR, Brahmas, Dels, RIR, CR, BA, etc., but I've never seen any of them have both high rates of lay and a dense, meaty carcass of any kind to equal the WRs I've had. Not even close or I would include them in that class. I've shucked down the skins on a lot of birds and never seen meat to equal a WR except on a CX. I've also had a lot of dual purpose classed breeds that couldn't put eggs in the nest like WRs...not even close.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Variety doesn't matter, breed does, but there's a huge group of dual purpose fowl. Plymouth Rock, Wyandotte, Rhode Island Red, New Hampshire (heck any of the American Class breeds qualify), then Orpington, Australorp, Sussex, Dorking, Langshan, Favorelles, the list goes on and on. There's far more dual purpose fowl then there are specialty fowl. And it does depend on how they're bred as well.

People are too narrow minded when it comes to chickens.

Well....LOL! Allow me to be the voice of contention (like nobody saw that coming?) In terms of varieties of fowl being more dual-purpose than others, I would have to say that the Whites are the larger birds, yielding more meat, with the Barred birds coming in a close second, then the silver pencilled, then the Columbian and so on. It's been forever since I've seen a Buff Plymouth Rock with any real substance.

 

[WalkingWolf1]

People are too narrow minded when it comes to chickens.

Not sure how well you know BeeKissed but this is comical. This can be said about many here, I'm sure, but if you knew Bee, you'd know she is one of the most open-minded individuals you'll meet. A straighter shooter you'd be hard pressed to find. As she has already prefaced her statement so her point is clear. It does seem you may be wound a wee bit tight.

 

[BGMatt]

Well....LOL! Allow me to be the voice of contention (like nobody saw that coming?) In terms of varieties of fowl being more dual-purpose than others, I would have to say that the Whites are the larger birds, yielding more meat, with the Barred birds coming in a close second, then the silver pencilled, then the Columbian and so on. It's been forever since I've seen a Buff Plymouth Rock with any real substance. 

Ah but that isn't due to the variety itself, it's due to breeding practices. White Plymouth Rocks are the most popular and therefore the most true to what the breed should be. Barred Plymouth Rocks are second most popular so they are in the second best shape and so on. Cbnovick on here, and the gentlemen that bred her birds and she got them from Tom Roebuck have some very impressive Buff Plymouth Rocks, Tom is a master breeder and shows what can be done with even a less popular color.

Before YellowHouseFarm dedicated themselves to the White Dorking as they have, you would not find Dorkings that live up to what they should be.

I guess my point was more the fault lies with the breeders or lack there of and their skill and lack of, rather than the breed itself. They are separate things.

 

[BGMatt]

  Not sure how well you know BeeKissed but this is comical.  This can be said about many here, I'm sure, but if you knew Bee, you'd know she is one of the most open-minded individuals you'll meet.  A straighter shooter you'd be hard pressed to find.  As she has already prefaced her statement so her point is clear.  It does seem you may be wound a wee bit tight.

Wasn't directed at them, it was a general comment. The general ignorance that you cannot have a productive bird that meets the Standard is a fallacy and lie that gets propped up a lot around here. I have nothing but experience and knowledge to share.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Ah but that isn't due to the variety itself, it's due to breeding practices. White Plymouth Rocks are the most popular and therefore the most true to what the breed should be. Barred Plymouth Rocks are second most popular so they are in the second best shape and so on. Cbnovick on here, and the gentlemen that bred her birds and she got them from Tom Roebuck have some very impressive Buff Plymouth Rocks, Tom is a master breeder and shows what can be done with even a less popular color.

Before YellowHouseFarm dedicated themselves to the White Dorking as they have, you would not find Dorkings that live up to what they should be.

I guess my point was more the fault lies with the breeders or lack there of and their skill and lack of, rather than the breed itself. They are separate things.

Splitting hairs...splitting hairs!

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Wasn't directed at them, it was a general comment. The general ignorance that you cannot have a productive bird that meets the Standard is a fallacy and lie that gets propped up a lot around here. I have nothing but experience and knowledge to share.

Or that imports are somehow better and superior to anything we have here already... *sigh*