Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[desertmarcy]

Hey! Y'all are both from Tuscon!

Good observation! Yes we are, we are friends and both members of our local poultry club.

 

[capayvalleychick]

It depends on the type of vaccine used:

According to http://www.drugs.com/vet/lt-ivax.html "LT-IVAX is a live virus vaccine of chicken tissue culture origin containing a carefully selected fowl laryngotracheitis virus strain modified by passage in tissue culture. Because of the highly modified character of this vaccine, it does not offer the same degree of protection usually obtained from more virulent products. This vaccine contains a very mild attenuated virus and there is no danger of seeding down the premises with laryngotracheitis virus which can spread and cause the disease."

But- this is what the poultry extension vet at UCDavis told me:
"Yes, ILT can "revert to virulence" and get non-vaccinated birds sick. Based on what you are describing would suggest vaccinating the entire flock with the TCO-ILT vaccine."

I'm not sure which to believe. I'm trying to contact the manufacturer.

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I just read that ILT is not transmitted through the eggs. Can you get hatching eggs?

I don't know. We had a hard enough time trying to find someone with a health certificate, to bring birds across the border. Plus, she wants to give me specific birds to compliment what I already have. Hatching eggs are a gamble.

It might not ruin your plans. I do not know that you can just go out and buy the CEO vaccines. I do not know about Canada or any other States, but it probably the least likely of vaccines used. Isn't that what the commercial industry is using?

I am also thinking that the recombinant vaccines are the modified virus vaccines.

I'm trying to find out all that I can. Doesn't help to find conflicting info.

You could always keep them at a different location, hatch heavy from them one season, and then dispose of them.

Good idea but no where else to put them. I was planning on quarantining them in their own coop but didn't want that to be permanent. I don't think the breeder would be happy if I were going to destroy her birds so quickly and I wouldn't want to do that.

 

[MagicChicken]

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That is good to know. If I were wing-banding adult birds I would want an assistant to hold the bird while I put on the band, so it didn't wiggle out of position as I was clamping down on the band. That would make it much easier. Good to know it is possible to wing band an adult bird yourself. But I still shudder at the thought of the contortions required.

 

[desertmarcy]

That is good to know. If I were wing-banding adult birds I would want an assistant to hold the bird while I put on the band, so it didn't wiggle out of position as I was clamping down on the band. That would make it much easier. Good to know it is possible to wing band an adult bird yourself. But I still shudder at the thought of the contortions required.

The contortions were more on the bird's part, not me

 

[3riverschick]

Hi,
I just need something that definitely won't come off to ID my birds. Well the season is over and I ended up with just what I wanted after all was said and done. 3 pullets from the inbred Boese and a trio from the Boese/Ross strain-cross. Plus, I have my Boese stud cock; his Boese dam; and 2 more line-bred Boese hens and the Ross-descended hen. All pure English strains. So it will be a very interesting inbreeding and strain-crossing season next year. I think I have most all the breedings planned out so I will avoid any black bleeding thru on the tops of the backs. I am impressed by my new strain-cross cockerel, Buster. The trio he is in was hatched 6/6 and is looking real good.
Best,
Karen

 

[ronott1]

Hi,
I just need something that definitely won't come off to ID my birds. Well the season is over and I ended up with just what I wanted after all was said and done. 3 pullets from the inbred Boese and a trio from the Boese/Ross strain-cross. Plus, I have my Boese stud cock; his Boese dam; and 2 more line-bred Boese hens and the Ross-descended hen. All pure English strains. So it will be a very interesting inbreeding and strain-crossing season next year. I think I have most all the breedings planned out so I will avoid any black bleeding thru on the tops of the backs. I am impressed by my new strain-cross cockerel, Buster. The trio he is in was hatched 6/6 and is looking real good.
Best,
Karen

Toe punch and spiral bands. I have a group of 4 with bands and one lost a band after two years. If worried, change the bands every 6 months and check regularly. They stay on much better than zip ties.

 

[3riverschick]

Maybe I will put one on each leg. That way if they lose one, I can still ID them, smile.
Best,
Karen

 

[brahmabreeder]

Honestly I think the wing bands are the best. You never have to change them out for being too small and the likelihood of them falling off is slim to none. I used a pair of scissors last year to cut the webbing on the chicks to identify their pens they came from. I did not do it this year since I only had one male for each color variety. I will next year. This year I just marked down their wing tag number and used that to tell their pen.

 

[bnjrob]

Maybe I will put one on each leg. That way if they lose one, I can still ID them, smile.
Best,
Karen

We use a combination of colored spiral bands, cable/zip ties, and numbered aluminum "permanent" bands. The spiral bands allow us to ID birds at a glance as individuals, the colored cable ties help denote specific hatches during a year as well as which cock they were sired from, while the numbered bands are different colors to indicate year hatched. It sounds like a lot but it actually does really well so that the different color combos of each band as well as the absence a cable tie, and even which leg is banded, allows us to ID them without having to chase them across the pasture to pick them up and check their band number.

 

[Zanna]

Does anyone here use the pelleted pine shavings in their coops? Are they hard on the chickens legs when they jump down off the roost or are they pretty soft and break up easily?

Someone local is moving and selling a ton of Natures bedding brand for $3/bag, really good deal if they are good for the chickens