Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[catdaddyfro]

OK , For the novice here . When we say "upright" referring to eggs does that mean large end up ?
I'd like to say I really enjoy this informative thread . Keep it rolling . Thanks Bob for starting it.

Tom always large end up. If the chick develops properly the head is oriented in the large end this is where the air cell is and just before pipping it breaks the bubble. This is its first air to ever breathe as it has to have this to transform from breathing thru the blood vessels that carry o2 from the shell surface then at a point just before pipping as the yolk sac and blood is drawn in and the air is no longer pulled in thru the ie.(umbilical cord). It has to breath this bit of air then once this bit of air is breathed up the co2 levels in the egg and chicks bloodstream rise then this sets off a nervous tremor like activity and a instinctive desire to get to air(much the same as suffocation and the will to live takes over) the chicks that have the highest vigor and stamina from the get go will make it, the weak or otherwise not good performers are culled right here(why helping chicks out of eggs at hatch is not a good thing) This here is survival of the fittest/natural selection at its best, at work right from the start.

Jeff

 

[lawatt]

Tom always large end up. If the chick develops properly the head is oriented in the large end this is where the air cell is and just before pipping it breaks the bubble. This it first air to ever breathe as it has to have this to transform from breathing thru the blood vessels that carry o2 from the shell surface then at a point just before pipping as the yolk sac and blood is drawn in and the air is no longer pulled in thru the ie.(umbilical cord). It has to breath this bit of air then once this bit of air is breathed up the co2 levels in the egg and chicks bloodstream rise then this sets off a nervous tremor like activity and a instinctive desire to get to air(much the same as suffocation and the will to live takes over) the chicks that have the highest vigor and stamina from the get will make it, the weak or otherwise not good performers are culled right here(why helping chicks out of eggs at hatch is not a good thing) This here is survival of the fittest/natural selection at its best, at work right from the start.

Jeff

I am fairly new to incubating, and have an Rcom that is designed for the eggs to lie on their sides, so the plate underneath them can rotate them -- and both of my two attempts at hatching so far have had low success, but also with shipped eggs, so didn't expect high hatching rates. but perhaps next time i hatch, at day 18 when i switch the turner off, i should put half of them upright in egg cartons (with the bottoms cut out for air flow) to see if those do better? (once a few chicks hatched, the other eggs definitely got kicked around and bumpd into a lot)

thanks!

 

[3riverschick]

Someone asked me where they could get a hard copy of this book:

Every Step In Culling And Breeding... Paperback – 1922
Reprint: March 28, 2012
by E. C. Foreman

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=Every step culling breeding&index=books
I think the one on Amazon is by Nabu Press. Have had feedback that this issue is poor quality. Errors from OCR scan not fixed. Optical Recognition Software
sometimes misreads old typeset resulting in typos..

http://net.ondemandbooks.com/google/ApDhAAAAMAAJ
Now this is interesting. Kirtas Books used to have this kind of print-on-demand
service but ended it last year. It was great. Pick a book from one of Kirtas'
affiliated libraries and they would digitize it and sell you both hard or soft cover
editions. I sure hope this is a new version of the same thing. Going to check it
out. Questions remain, what system are they using and are OCR errors fixed?
Or does a new advanced system negate that problem? The answer is yes, yes,
and yes! I am totally wowed!! A bookstore quality book in 5 minutes. Amazing!
This will change the way researchers and readers obtain knowledge!
Best,
Karen
Ok so they have access to books by different publishers. Including Nabu Press.
http://www.ondemandbooks.com/search.php Type in title to see results.
So I am guessing when they print from a certain publisher, the text will be what that publisher created including errors? ( Espresso Book machine corrects errors from publishers? Yes?/No? ) Yet, they have a search engine which shows they have access, not only to Nabu edition but also the Google edition too. Perhaps Google has a better quality edition?

 

[ronott1]

I am fairly new to incubating, and have an Rcom that is designed for the eggs to lie on their sides, so the plate underneath them can rotate them -- and both of my two attempts at hatching so far have had low success, but also with shipped eggs, so didn't expect high hatching rates. but perhaps next time i hatch, at day 18 when i switch the turner off, i should put half of them upright in egg cartons (with the bottoms cut out for air flow) to see if those do better? (once a few chicks hatched, the other eggs definitely got kicked around and bumpd into a lot)

thanks!

All chicks(shipped and locally collected) hatch better upright in incubators. Studies have shown this--there is a significantly better hatch rate this way. Hatcheries hatch upright. They leave them on their side for 18 days and then move them to a hatching tray with the big end up. Still, Broodies are often better at hatching eggs.

I tilt them slightly so that the bigger part of the air cell is up. The chicks will pip there if they are going to hatch well.

Shipping with the big end up in the shipping box helps to protect the embryo from shocks. Heat from being left in a hot truck or warehouse, Pressure change and rough handling causes stress to the embryo. The Embryo will try to over come the stress using energy. If it takes too much energy to repair the damage, there will not be enough to hatch. Some will internally pip and not hatch and some will not completely absorb the yolk and be sticky. The chicks may not have as much vigor and should have vitamins when they hatch.

Using a stable incubator is very important with shipped eggs--along with proper packing of the eggs.

 

[3riverschick]

National Barred Rock Journal,
Volumes 7-21 Nov. 1915 thru Jan. 1929
http://tinyurl.com/ky4cswj (read online at Google Books )

NATIONAL BARRED ROCK JOURNAL (American Barred Plymouth Rock Club, and others), m. Post Falls. Idaho. 47.8 In8
List of periodicals currently received in the library of the USDA
By United States. Dept. of Agriculture. Library - 1936
http://tinyurl.com/mlbuhjs
Maybe the 1st 7 Vols. are here? Individuals cannot order from NAL.
Order thru your local librarian via interlibrary loan.

 

[TeaChick]

If anyone out there reading the thread is looking for
Heritage Large Fowl, now is the time to ask.
Breeders are making up their waiting lists for 2014. Don't
wait until hatching season to ask about your breed of choice.
Wade on into the thread now and let the folk here get you
connected with a breeder of high quality birds of your choice.
Don't be a lurker. There are no stupid questions.
Best,
Karen

I would like a Jersey Giant roo. I have a black hen. I'm not particular about color. I can go anywhere from the middle of Georgia and the middle of Alabama down to the middle of Florida for pick up.

 

[BGMatt]

I have three teen boys, the smell in there can only get better............

Okay, so what I'm hearing is to rotate the eggs to different positions in the incubator as the hatch progresses. I assume this is so the eggs all have a time at the higher temps and at the lower temps. I'm curious, what are your hatch rates? Matt, will your's 'hatch a rock', too? I can see another experiment on the horizon.

Both of my styrobators are old and previously used. I plan to use them as hatchers and will disinfect them to within an inch of their lives. The model Sportsman I bought is the one without the hatching tray in the bottom. That should keep it cleaner and (hopefully) make things more simple. I also hope that only using them for hatching, and rotating which one I use each week, with thorough disinfecting in between will do the trick.

I don't know about hatching a Rock, but they're hatched plenty of Langshans. (See what I did there?) Anyway, this year on local eggs I had about an 85% hatch rate, not very happy with that but this was first year with new machines (I sold off my 5 older ones and downsized to a brand new 1502 and 1550 hatcher). If you just follow book directions you'll get a decent hatch. If you fiddle with humidity and such for your individual environment (using air cell size and egg weight to monitor proper levels) you'll get much better than decent results.

 

[TeaChick]

OK , For the novice here . When we say "upright" referring to eggs does that mean large end up ?
I'd like to say I really enjoy this informative thread . Keep it rolling . Thanks Bob for starting it.

X2

 

[TeaChick]

I hatch in plastic egg cartons with the bottoms cut out for air flow. Under the cartons is shelf liner. Keeps the hatcher cleaner, and gives the chicks good footing.Without cartons , the first hatched chicks roll a lot of unsecured eggs around, so those later chicks drown in their shells. Just when they figure which way is up, somebody yells, "Touchdown!" and sends them rolling.

I used 3 Sportmans for years. Now I use two GQF styrofoams. One has a fan and turner. The other I use as a hatcher,just has a fan.They work great. I do clean,and disinfect the hatcher in between hatches.I spray the inside bottom with TILEX. This gets into all those cracks. Rinse, and use an Oxine solution to disinfect. Then sit in the sun until dry.The lid is wiped down with a cloth soaked in Oxine also. If you smell anything in an incubator, you have a bacteria build up problem.

Thanks!!!

 

[TeaChick]

I hatch in plastic egg cartons with the bottoms cut out for air flow. Under the cartons is shelf liner. Keeps the hatcher cleaner, and gives the chicks good footing.Without cartons , the first hatched chicks roll a lot of unsecured eggs around, so those later chicks drown in their shells. Just when they figure which way is up, somebody yells, "Touchdown!" and sends them rolling.

I used 3 Sportmans for years. Now I use two GQF styrofoams. One has a fan and turner. The other I use as a hatcher,just has a fan.They work great. I do clean,and disinfect the hatcher in between hatches.I spray the inside bottom with TILEX. This gets into all those cracks. Rinse, and use an Oxine solution to disinfect. Then sit in the sun until dry.The lid is wiped down with a cloth soaked in Oxine also. If you smell anything in an incubator, you have a bacteria build up problem.

What breed is in your avitar?