Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

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What really great large fowl examples have people seen lately? What were they? What made them so great? Who had them? Pictures would be helpful!

Thx,
Sarah
 
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I'll have to throw in a dissenting vote on that view for a moment. I've been watching birds free range for a long time now and watching them closely. I'd say that it's a 40/60 split on what they forage in a day's time.....grass/insect and worm life. My birds work their meadow surrounded by woods in a circuit and that changes with the seasons and the available grasses but they seem to spend an good amount of time grazing vs. foraging in the leaf litter. I think a person is going to see that this varies according to the available grass in the pasture area as to what is palatable to the bird. I'm thinking just regular lawn variety grasses may not be the most palatable for a backyard kept bird but native grasses and pasture grasses, including forbs such as clover, are more suitable for their monogastric existence and they are gaining quite a bit of absorption of the proteins to be found there.

And it's the actual grasses they are grazing and not the seed heads, though they do a good bit of that as well in the fall. I've watched them and actually can hear them nipping the grass as they go along.



CX doing the evening grazing of the clover plots.



Fall planted clover on the finished garden being gleaned by the layer flock.





Young pullets mowing the meadow.


Whenever I kill a bird and empty out that crop and gizzard, I'll find quite a bit of grass in both and I can honestly say I've never found a bug in a crop. I can understand the bugs not being found in a gizzard as the cellulose and fiber in the grass takes longer to process but the crop is merely a storage area and should hold whatever the bird foraged immediately prior to the kill.

When I was free ranging CX this past spring they consumed a lot of grasses and forbs...it was their first stop for feeding. They'd fill up on clover and then move the wood line and start tossing leaves. Come evening they'd hit that clover again and graze it down like a herd of cows.
Modern poultry are not the same as Jungle fowl. They have been selected for their ability to live off of our scraps and now for our grains. I did read that today's poultry will eat at the ratios quoted above--40/60 Grains to Protein. Other birds eat a lot more protein--hawks being one but they still eat 10 to 15% grains\grass.
 
A reminder about what Heritage Large Fowl are, plus some other definitions for those new to the thread:

Heritage Large Fowl are large chickens that have been bred to the American Poultry Association Standard of Perfection, and belong breeds entered into the Standard prior to the early 1950's.

In other words, Heritage Large Fowl are big, old-timey chickens from lines that have been bred to APA standard. Not bantams. There is a separate thread for heritage bantams.


Other terminology, for those new to standard-bred large fowl:

"Cockerel" is a young male chicken, under 1 year of age.

"Cock" or "cock bird" is a male chicken over 1 year of age.

"Pullet" is a young female chicken, under 1 year of age.

"Hen" is an older female chicken, over 1 year of age.

"Rooster" is a generic term for a male chicken, not typically used in the world of standard-bred poultry but not incorrect, either.

"Roo" is a BYC term and immediately marks you as not from the standard-bred poultry world. This is not a bad thing. Just know that the world of standard-bred poultry uses certain terminology and "roo" is not part of the lingo. Some of us are still making the transition and slip once in a while when posting on this thread. Please forgive us.

Sarah
 
I'll have to throw in a dissenting vote on that view for a moment. I've been watching birds free range for a long time now and watching them closely. I'd say that it's a 40/60 split on what they forage in a day's time.....grass/insect and worm life. My birds work their meadow surrounded by woods in a circuit and that changes with the seasons and the available grasses but they seem to spend an good amount of time grazing vs. foraging in the leaf litter. I think a person is going to see that this varies according to the available grass in the pasture area as to what is palatable to the bird. I'm thinking just regular lawn variety grasses may not be the most palatable for a backyard kept bird but native grasses and pasture grasses, including forbs such as clover, are more suitable for their monogastric existence and they are gaining quite a bit of absorption of the proteins to be found there.

And it's the actual grasses they are grazing and not the seed heads, though they do a good bit of that as well in the fall. I've watched them and actually can hear them nipping the grass as they go along.



CX doing the evening grazing of the clover plots.



Fall planted clover on the finished garden being gleaned by the layer flock.





Young pullets mowing the meadow.


Whenever I kill a bird and empty out that crop and gizzard, I'll find quite a bit of grass in both and I can honestly say I've never found a bug in a crop. I can understand the bugs not being found in a gizzard as the cellulose and fiber in the grass takes longer to process but the crop is merely a storage area and should hold whatever the bird foraged immediately prior to the kill.

When I was free ranging CX this past spring they consumed a lot of grasses and forbs...it was their first stop for feeding. They'd fill up on clover and then move the wood line and start tossing leaves. Come evening they'd hit that clover again and graze it down like a herd of cows.
Bee you have to connect the rest of my posts to get what I am saying.

I mentioned earlier that the broad leafed weeds etc was better. Clover is not grass. I mentioned that grass is a bit over rated, not greens. If you compare the %fiber on the feed bags, it is not particularly high. They are not an especially high fiber animal.
I used the jungle fowl to illustrate what they need and want in a general ratio. If you look back at that list, you will see a similar balance of nutrients to what you would find in your bagged feed. Seeds and fruit being energy etc. Being high energy animals that is what they need the most of. You will not find that in the greens.

And yes you will always find grass in the gizzard. It will be one of the last things to leave, When I feed whole oats and open them up, I find a lot of hulls. The high fiber takes longer for them to digest. They just are not made for high quantities of fiber.

Also consider they are "balancing" their ration. A good portion of their feed is what you give them, and they are going to crave something that is not in it.

It was general comments on dietary needs and behaviors outside of anything we would give them. If they had to forage for it all, and the setting provided it all, they would behave differently.
 
Ok, so I'm hoping that my rooster that was acting weird just has worms because I'm starting to get nervous I'll be one rooster short this year
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. He now has green-blue poop that is in the runny form or at least I think it is since it's all on his butt feathers. He's now dropping in weight. Not too bad yet but still he should be adding weight at this point. He's losing color in his face, not horribly, but it's starting to go. He's still walking but not a whole ton. I put water in and he came over to drink. Right now he is in my other coop by himself with his own feed and water. He has just been dewormed.
 
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Ok, so I'm hoping that my rooster that was acting weird just has worms because I'm starting to get nervous I'll be one rooster short this year
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. He now has green-blue poop that is in the runny form or at least I think it is since it's all on his butt feathers. He's now dropping in weight. Not too bad yet but still he should be adding weight at this point. He's losing color in his face not horribly but it's starting to go. He's still walking but not a whole ton. I put water in and he came over to drink. Right now he is in my other coop by himself with his own feed and water. He has just been dewormed.
How old is he?

coccidiosis has similar symptoms--only two strains have blood in the manure. A friend hat a Marans that was over a year old wind up with cocci that responded to corid.
 
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What really great large fowl examples have people seen lately? What were they? What made them so great? Who had them? Pictures would be helpful!

Thx,
Sarah

A friend sent me some pictures of some Buff Leghorns I was admiring. The type and color was sharp. I would post them, but they are not mine.

I never understood why there was not more interest in the color buff. The Orpingtons are popular, but why not in some of the other breeds? It seams that most people like the color.

Like with the Leghorns. Why are not there more Buff Leghorns (though I like the Dark Brown Leghorns)? Or with the Rocks? Why more black Minorcas than buffs? It just seams to me that it would be one of the more popular colors. A flock of well bred Buff birds on green range is special to see.

I guess I have grown fond of the color.
 
A friend sent me some pictures of some Buff Leghorns I was admiring. The type and color was sharp. I would post them, but they are not mine.

I never understood why there was not more interest in the color buff. The Orpingtons are popular, but why not in some of the other breeds? It seams that most people like the color.

Like with the Leghorns. Why are not there more Buff Leghorns (though I like the Dark Brown Leghorns)? Or with the Rocks? Why more black Minorcas than buffs? It just seams to me that it would be one of the more popular colors. A flock of well bred Buff birds on green range is special to see.

I guess I have grown fond of the color.

I share your admiration for the color. I think the key to it's lack of popularity is I have had many old timers tell me it's the hardest color to breed. I am too new to my project to assess this, but if it is truly a difficult color to breed for then that would explain a lot. It does sun bleach very easily and if you range your birds at all, or just give them a good dosage of natural light they will fade quickly and not be quite as attractive, I found this even in what I thought was a shady pen, the winter sun coming through the south wire faded my youngsters.

It could also fall in a no man's land gap. The show folks don't breed it as much because it's difficult and even the experts seem to slightly disagree on what shade is given preference and the interpretation of the buff color. So they tend to gravitate towards black or white birds, which tend to win more. The commercial industry has no need for color so why would they breed buff?

Just thinking out loud
 
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What really great large fowl examples have people seen lately? What were they? What made them so great? Who had them? Pictures would be helpful!

Thx,
Sarah
@PetRock Picked up some special ones at the Stockton Show

Langshans!

 

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