Hey Patty, Gator, Mike and other mille cochin enthusiasts

[tate]

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GOOD LUCK FINDING LARGE FOWL MILLI FLEUR COCHINS LOL!!!!!!

 

[alpinefarm]

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I think it is wonderful that we are all being creative with this breed and color and I would like to take the stance of being supportive of everyone's efforts.

I am curious about this question, too, rodriguez! Where do others see the "project" of creating a new color in mille fleurs in the US as ending and a new, MF coloring as being a "done deal"---in the color pattern being to a certain point? (And if so, what point--specifically? How deep a shade overall? Mahogany or chocolate or...? How much speckling and the location of the spots?) Or does the "project" turn into "the real deal" in getting mille fleur cochin bantams accepted with the APA?

I am uncomfortable with generalized or very subjective statements about our birds...the "my birds are better than your birds" approach doesn't help move forward the breed/birds/color pattern we all are professing to love.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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GOOD LUCK FINDING LARGE FOWL MILLI FLEUR COCHINS LOL!!!!!!

The same could once have been said for bantams...

ETA: could you please tell me what is different from yours and a "project" bird? Were your birds indeed imported???

 

[amazondoc]

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It's just a pattern that requires patience.

I've got mf bantam cochins, mf leghorns, mf and gold necked d'Uccles, and speckled Sussex -- and I can tell you that ALL of them change a LOT as they mature. It's the same with the mottling pattern, and I would suspect that the mottling gene may be to blame for all the changes in the mf birds. You sure don't get instant gratification with these guys!

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

If we wanted instant gratification..would we be breeders??? LOL!

I would "think" the best way to do the Langshan would be to actually start from the D'Uccle. Sure you have the beard in the way, but the stance is fairly similar, as is the leg feathering. All that would need to be done is the size (I like 'em BIG!!!!!), color and breeding away from the beard....

interesting...

No..no. Won't do it! Can't make me!

Sorry, we're discussing Cochins...

 

[Msbear]

Imo, a project would be over when the offspring breed true to parent birds consistently and the flock has met a goal set by the breeder with consideration to type and color. In mille fleur, this coloring should be extremely similar to the color pattern in a mille fleur d'uccle or mf oegb or any other breed of chicken.

I would like to hear Tate's take on this as well. I think many of you (I just have a few youngsters and am not even playing ball at this point ,including Tate, are in the exact same place in this game. ...color is really getting there but type is still lacking as far as round cushions with body held low and a fine, delicate head held in a low position. This is something that will take generations to improve on. So, I would assume "project" or "non-project" is a term to be used at the breeder's own discretion...kind of like "show quality."

 

[Msbear]

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A buyer would have to take the seller at his/her word based upon these pictures as juveniles offer no representation of what adult birds will look like and the photo quality is seriously lacking.

To answer your question, No. True bantam mille fleur cochins should look like this http://www.perfectpekins.co.uk/apps/photos/photo?photoid=10381713

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

See, the "show quality" thing irks me. A bird MUST at least follow the guidelines of the SOP in order to be considered "show quality." I suppose in my world, the Mille Fleur project and show quality representations are not comparable.

For example, It is not up to the breeder to determine whether their birds are show quality or not. If the bird does not look, nor has the "elegance" that the standard calls for, it is simply not show quality...no matter how many 4H shows it has won. The breeder MUST know what to look for in their breeding stock to continue producing show quality offspring, however it is not entirely up to them to state that their birds are show quality. Show quality fowl MUST be able to be discerned from production fowl. To me, there is simply no competition between the two.

Anyway, back on track. Isn't this project bringing "almost" everyone together to help form a standard for the Mille Fleur coloration? How can one breeder simply say "oh...I'm finished! This is what the coloration should look like" without having the consent of every participant?

I realize we ALL have our own interpretations of what something should look like but how are the birds any different from any of the rest of the birds in the project? I'm sure there's a difference between them, I'm just not as knowledgeable as others who are working on this project to be able to tell what those differences are?

 

[JOSHSBANTAMS]

We'll get there it's just going to take a little more time.

Nice pic do you have any others?

 

[tate]

if you go to feather site you will see milli cochins from other countrys the us millis look a lot better it doesnt matter what country you are in milli fleur is not a cochin color