Horse Talk

[ShrekDawg]

Sorry @katsdar i tagged the wrong person

@Kusanar

 

[Kusanar]

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Thank you. A voice of reason. I most likely will not breed him, if I were going to, I would have to fence 10 acres, repair the barn, buy a carport, find a mare that is worth breeding (conformation AND temperment), get the entire herd moved to the new place and settled in, get an area for Stud, the new mare, and maybe Papi to live together because I KNOW that a stallion won't want to share his mare with a bunch of geldings, all of this in a year, which most likely WILL NOT happen. But, if I were to breed him, the foal would have a home for life. Plus, if something happens to me, I have enough set away to get each horse put down rather than them go on a meat truck, no problems. I would much rather them die quietly with someone they trust rubbing them than be sold, sent to a feed lot and slaughtered. I take my animals seriously and am responcible for them for the rest of their lives. If I thought that they would have a chance of getting a good home then I would think about selling rather than putting down, but as it was pointed out, every one of my horses would probably end up on a meat truck. The USA is rare in that we have a fear of male animals with balls, pretty much every other country they leave all or nearly all males intact no matter if they are planning to breed or not, they just don't take any bull from the stallions and they can work them near and around mares, tie them up next to another stallion or a mare with no issue. A friend of mine recently took a vacation in Jamacca and did the "ride horses on the beach" thing there, she said none of the horses were gelded and about half of them were stallions... These are horses that are being ridden by ANYONE not just experienced riders. Think about that, stallions that are being ridden by people that have never sat on a horse before, in the ocean and on the beach in the company of a bunch of mares that are ALSO being ridden by people that have never sat on a horse... Anyway, who has a topic that ISN'T my horses balls and lack of a removal of them? I'll stick around and see if it stays semi-civilized, if so, I'll stay, if not, I won't, I'll go back to the chicken threads where people don't judge me for my ideas even though I HAVE horses and have never owned a bird of any sort...

 

[katsdar]

I can understand you're trying to be helpful but I feel like it somewhat is bashing in a way though because they already stated numerous times they have no interest in gelding him and how he's not studdish at all so it doesn't need to keep being brought up and discouraged.

Maybe MOST people can't handle stallions but if anyone can, I think katsdar can and their stallion is the one to do it with, a perfectly mannered one.

But that said, I'm not sure I would breed him, but I see nothing wrong with keeping him a stud or breeding him if you want. But even if you choose not to breed him, there is no reason he HAS to be gelded if he's well behaved. It's like with dogs. There is no need to fix them if they're well behaved or you are willing to put in the training and effort to make them well behaved and keep them contained on your property to prevent accidental litters or foals in the case of horses.

And that's another thing, I think the only reason a lot of people geld horses or neuter dogs is because it's easier than training them and working with them. And yes for the average person that's a good idea cause they don't know what they're doing. But katsdar seems like they do know what they're doing and if they are willing to put in the effort to train and work with their horse then what does him being gelded or not matter? Just because most people wouldn't want to work with a stallion doesn't mean katsdar can't or ALL horses must be gelded...

And besidez, wasn't it katsdar that said he once walked the stud with no chain and with 2 mares in heat on the other side and he was perfectly fine?

And that he doesn't even react when the mares next door go into heat and ignores them?

Maybe not but I thought I read and remembered that...

In which case, the mares next door would likely NOT be an issue or a source of a fight.

But of course you don't know how studdish the colt will be.

But it kind of seems like you're basing your reasoning for gelding him on how MOST stallions act rather than on this specific stud and how katsdar has said he acts. Which is perfectly mannered.

I don't see a reason to put an animal through an unnecessary surgery just because some people want it done.

That said, like I said, I'm not sure I would recommend breeding him but that's different than gelding him.

That said, @katsdar please don't leave the thread

I like having you here and people are just trying to be helpful even if it comes across wrong.

All this said, I think when someone has made a decision we need to respect it not keep trying to pressure them and force them to change and attack the choice.

OR.

We could focus instead on why not to breed him rather than on gelding him. Gelding isn't the important bit here and is NOT necessary

Hi, I'm katsdar and I'm a she and I don't have horses or know anything about them. But if you want to talk chickens,

 

[ShrekDawg]

Hi, I'm katsdar and I'm a she and I don't have horses or know anything about them.  But if you want to talk chickens, 

Yeah, sorry, for some reason I was convinced it was you! Lol therefore tagging the wrong person. And sorry for the gender mixup too! I'm always up for talking chickens though

 

[katsdar]

Yeah, sorry, for some reason I was convinced it was you! Lol therefore tagging the wrong person. And sorry for the gender mixup too! I'm always up for talking chickens though

NP, I now know where to come for horse questions.

 

[ShrekDawg]

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Thank you. A voice of reason. I most likely will not breed him, if I were going to, I would have to fence 10 acres, repair the barn, buy a carport, find a mare that is worth breeding (conformation AND temperment), get the entire herd moved to the new place and settled in, get an area for Stud, the new mare, and maybe Papi to live together because I KNOW that a stallion won't want to share his mare with a bunch of geldings, all of this in a year, which most likely WILL NOT happen. But, if I were to breed him, the foal would have a home for life. Plus, if something happens to me, I have enough set away to get each horse put down rather than them go on a meat truck, no problems. I would much rather them die quietly with someone they trust rubbing them than be sold, sent to a feed lot and slaughtered. I take my animals seriously and am responcible for them for the rest of their lives. If I thought that they would have a chance of getting a good home then I would think about selling rather than putting down, but as it was pointed out, every one of my horses would probably end up on a meat truck. The USA is rare in that we have a fear of male animals with balls, pretty much every other country they leave all or nearly all males intact no matter if they are planning to breed or not, they just don't take any bull from the stallions and they can work them near and around mares, tie them up next to another stallion or a mare with no issue. A friend of mine recently took a vacation in Jamacca and did the "ride horses on the beach" thing there, she said none of the horses were gelded and about half of them were stallions... These are horses that are being ridden by ANYONE not just experienced riders. Think about that, stallions that are being ridden by people that have never sat on a horse before, in the ocean and on the beach in the company of a bunch of mares that are ALSO being ridden by people that have never sat on a horse... Anyway, who has a topic that ISN'T my horses balls and lack of a removal of them? I'll stick around and see if it stays semi-civilized, if so, I'll stay, if not, I won't, I'll go back to the chicken threads where people don't judge me for my ideas even though I HAVE horses and have never owned a bird of any sort...

I'm glad you aren't planning on breeding him But yeah, I'm not sure why Americans are so terrified of hormones lol Maybe it partially has to do with we can afford it too? Cause some other countries can't but then again even for poorer people they run cheap and free spay/neuter programs as if it's the end all or be all lol it's weird. Then again, some dogs/horses/whatever really are more aggressive but all that takes is simply not allowing or tolerating that behavior... I wouldn't tolerate aggression from a fixed dog so why tolerate it from an unfixed one? Or horses. I just know more about dogs lol And I really hope you stay! And hmmmm we could talk about bareback riding and how the frick you get the horse to move lol

 

[ShrekDawg]

NP, I now know where to come for horse questions.  

Haha very true! Do you like horses?

Also I have no clue why I was so convinced it was you besides both being K names.. maybe I've seen you around on other threads?

 

[katsdar]

OMG who has the sheltie? the pup in the pic, oh so beautiful



This is my Dusty, I had an artist I met on BYC draw it for me from the pic and then I had it framed. I love my Dusty, he is an old man but still with me.

 

[ShrekDawg]

OMG who has the sheltie? the pup in the pic, oh so beautiful This is my Dusty, I had an artist I met on BYC draw it for me from the pic and then I had it framed. I love my Dusty, he is an old man but still with me.

Dusty is beautiful!

 

[katsdar]

Haha very true! Do you like horses?

Also I have no clue why I was so convinced it was you besides both being K names.. maybe I've seen you around on other threads?

Your name seems familiar, I do like horses when I was a kid we had one named Eagle, my dad saved it from the glue factory and momma would give me a sugar cube to give to her and then I would chase it around the house trying to get it back, then when I would stop she would come nudge me and we would go chasing again, I was maybe 4, mom finally started giving me 2 sugar cubes. Then we had to move and Eagle went to a farm to live out her days.