Horse Talk

[ShrekDawg]

I think they just mean maybe she's lazy and not the best worker but not spooky at all. At least that was my interpretation of it lol

 

[ShrekDawg]

You're spot on with the feeding, I think they've got too many to separate them all for feeding, I know I've personally seen them fed in the pasture before, that was just one time but I think that's how it always is, except for when they're in quarantine, so while the less dominant horses are waiting to be adopted they don't get in and fight for their feed, and therefore gain weight much slower. It's not that they can't afford to feed them, I think it's just the pecking order results in a lot of horses not gaining very fast. I also think they're backwards in their views that the top priority for an under weight horse is gaining fat AND muscle, when I rescued Penelope (for those of you who remember her) they told me they'd been putting 10-15 minute rides on her so she could gain muscle because that was just as important, but I HIGHLY disagreed, and when she got home she went straight to pasture with two different kinds of good quality grain, and hay available when there wasn't grass and she put on a ton of weight, and I only rode her once in the time I owned her, but she looked great when I sold her!
So their views are a little out dated and they don't have a good feeding system set up, because they both work all day and one feeds in the morning before leaving and the other at night when they get home and then they also have kids and take in dogs as well and they train the horses and they drive to other states to pick horses up. Lol. And I don't think anyone volunteers and at this point I doubt they could hire anyone.
Although the horses they take in are taken out of a bad situation, have their health addressed, get trained, and get a shot at finding a really good home, I do think they should take a step back and downsize a little, I'd hate to see them go overboard and flop, they're some of the most honest and kind hearted horse people I've met.

Ohhh that makes more sense then but that's probably the best or most responsible way to feed :/ but it might be the ONLY way with everything you've said. Which, btw, it does sound like they are in wayyyyy over their heads and need to downsize! Or stop taking in more or no dogs or something hah

And curious what you mean by at this point? They've been running too long or something? I don't think there's such a thing. I doubt they could have actual employees but they could look for volunteers. IMO, it's that or downsize. I mean, they need to do something. Seems they have way too many horses

 

[Kusanar]

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Actually, Facebook just banned selling animals on there. They are removing pages that are centered around buying and selling animals and removing posts about that as well, they aren't getting ALL of them yet, but they are doing it and it is against the rules, so you could potentially get banned for it since it's against the rules.

Though, I DID see an $1,800 dollar square bale on there that came with a free horse... so I guess there are ways around it.

 

[The Moonshiner]

You're spot on with the feeding, I think they've got too many to separate them all for feeding, I know I've personally seen them fed in the pasture before, that was just one time but I think that's how it always is, except for when they're in quarantine, so while the less dominant horses are waiting to be adopted they don't get in and fight for their feed, and therefore gain weight much slower. It's not that they can't afford to feed them, I think it's just the pecking order results in a lot of horses not gaining very fast. I also think they're backwards in their views that the top priority for an under weight horse is gaining fat AND muscle, when I rescued Penelope (for those of you who remember her) they told me they'd been putting 10-15 minute rides on her so she could gain muscle because that was just as important, but I HIGHLY disagreed, and when she got home she went straight to pasture with two different kinds of good quality grain, and hay available when there wasn't grass and she put on a ton of weight, and I only rode her once in the time I owned her, but she looked great when I sold her!
So their views are a little out dated and they don't have a good feeding system set up, because they both work all day and one feeds in the morning before leaving and the other at night when they get home and then they also have kids and take in dogs as well and they train the horses and they drive to other states to pick horses up. Lol. And I don't think anyone volunteers and at this point I doubt they could hire anyone.
Although the horses they take in are taken out of a bad situation, have their health addressed, get trained, and get a shot at finding a really good home, I do think they should take a step back and downsize a little, I'd hate to see them go overboard and flop, they're some of the most honest and kind hearted horse people I've met.

I disagree, the horses DO get fed, but with as many as there is it's a very slow process for them to make progress, from my personal experience, they've gotten the horses, quarantined them, fixed any feet problems, vaccinated them, and started on grain and hay as well as turn out, and the two horses I've gotten have been underweight despite being there for a while and gained a lot and quickly once in my care, BUT they got them to where they're enjoying life again and not so malnourished that they're dull and listless. I think the problems may be that they're probably (I don't know for certain) using cheap grain so they can feed more horses, and that they're also training all of the horses, which can be good and bad, because on one hand, if the horse is trained its more likely to be adopted, but on the other, the really underweight horses aren't going to gain like they should because they're working.
When I say they're a good rescue, I mean that they're nice, honest people, who arent thinking about money, don't drug horses to make them seem calmer, and screen potential adopters. But that doesn't mean that they aren't in a little over their heads. They're just trying to help as many horses as possible, and it seems like here recently that the more word spreads about them (and it does because they ARE good people), the more donations they get and the better they're doing with the horses, I know they've recently made some pretty big purchases that are going a long ways for them and the horses, with the help of some of the donations (and what they've saved).
But I would rather screen buyers and find my own, secure home for a horse than surrender it, no matter how good the rescue, because it's not going to get the one on one attention it deserves in a rescue situation

If they can afford to feed them but theyre still staying underweight thats even worse. I can find no way to justify or excuse that.
Id also have a hard time seeing this as a legit rescue. Rescues dont adopt out horses to be resold a few months later. They have contracts against that. Penelope? Dont remember her but that doesnt suprise me. Youve flipped so many horses yourself since starting this thead im suprised you remember them all.
We all have opinions and yours is fine but not the same as mine. Theres so many red flags im seeing and theyre just ones from your few posts.
Im sure they are great people and their hearts in the right place but their operation sounds lacking in care and commitment. I dont think you get the commitment of owning a horse yourself. Im sure youre a good person with a good heart too but you need to quit seeing horses as being so disposible.
Ive also got an issue of the drugging of horses to adopt them out. That is also something no legit rescue would do. Thats also a serious concern if any place is doing it. That could get someone killed. Have you reported that to anyone? If not shame on you. If so stick with it till theyre shut done.

 

[Kusanar]

I'm trying something different with Wings' feed. I'm fermenting it like some people do for chickens. I was very careful when I started and made sure it was fermenting and not doing anything bad, and then GRADUALLY started switching him from dry pellets and soaked beet pulp to the ferment mix about 1/2 cup at a time. He's now on mostly ferment with a tiny bit of dry, he will be on all fermented in about 2 weeks.

I wanted to do this due to a few things, 1 being that fermenting kind of "pre digests" the grains and makes them a more usable form so they get more nutrition out of the same grains and the same amounts, 2 I soak his beet pulp anyway, and it is really hard to soak feed without it going rancid in the summer heat, so I have to keep it in the fridge and hope it stays cool until he's done eating.

This way, I know there are good bacteria in the feed that are keeping the bad guys away, he will get more nutrition out of the same amount of feed, his feed has a LOT of water in it (it's actually got about 6 inches of water over it in the big tub I ferment in and then I strain it out to feed) so he won't get dehydrated as easily as eating dry feed. He seems to like it, it smells like I'm brewing beer in the feed room... lol

 

[abigalerose]

Ohhh that makes more sense then but that's probably the best or most responsible way to feed :/ but it might be the ONLY way with everything you've said. Which, btw, it does sound like they are in wayyyyy over their heads and need to downsize! Or stop taking in more or no dogs or something hah

And curious what you mean by at this point? They've been running too long or something? I don't think there's such a thing. I doubt they could have actual employees but they could look for volunteers. IMO, it's that or downsize. I mean, they need to do something. Seems they have way too many horses

I just meant that they're already stretched so thin that I don't think they could afford to hire someone. But I don't know why no one volunteers.

Actually, Facebook just banned selling animals on there. They are removing pages that are centered around buying and selling animals and removing posts about that as well, they aren't getting ALL of them yet, but they are doing it and it is against the rules, so you could potentially get banned for it since it's against the rules.

Though, I DID see an $1,800 dollar square bale on there that came with a free horse... so I guess there are ways around it.

It's only banned in the market place, so all the pages are still fine although there's been a lot of confusion because of it. Most pages are just switching to a closed group and carrying on.

If they can afford to feed them but theyre still staying underweight thats even worse. I can find no way to justify or excuse that.
Id also have a hard time seeing this as a legit rescue. Rescues dont adopt out horses to be resold a few months later. They have contracts against that. Penelope? Dont remember her but that doesnt suprise me. Youve flipped so many horses yourself since starting this thead im suprised you remember them all.
We all have opinions and yours is fine but not the same as mine. Theres so many red flags im seeing and theyre just ones from your few posts.
Im sure they are great people and their hearts in the right place but their operation sounds lacking in care and commitment. I dont think you get the commitment of owning a horse yourself. Im sure youre a good person with a good heart too but you need to quit seeing horses as being so disposible.
Ive also got an issue of the drugging of horses to adopt them out. That is also something no legit rescue would do. Thats also a serious concern if any place is doing it. That could get someone killed. Have you reported that to anyone? If not shame on you. If so stick with it till theyre shut done.

They did have a contract and I got permission from them to sell Penelope. I'm also not "flipping" any horses and I remember every single horse I've had and who and where I got them from, and what their names were when I got them and what I renamed them, etc. and have only accidentally placed ONE in a dishonest home, and that was the first horse I sold, and he should've been a horse I kept for life but I thought it was best. So that was a lesson for me.
And I do understand the commitment of owning a horse, in fact I understand it so much that if I own a horse I don't click with or don't have time for but still like (like Reno and Indie), I do the right thing and find them good homes where they WILL get time spent with them. Maybe you can't understand that, but I would rather resell a horse than have it sit out in the pasture and never get messed with because we don't get along, that's not fair to the horse and IMO worse, because I'd be keeping, and neglecting, a horse that I don't care much about for no good reason when I know there's a better home for him or her out there.
If you found just the right horse on the first try than good for you.
I have the right horses now, I could NEVER let June and Jasmine go and I have lots of plans for them, and I also don't plan on bringing home anymore horses unless it's under very particular circumstances, which probably won't happen. And I'm not happy about selling Reno and Indie, I do really like them, but the thought of having a green broke horse, a weanling, and 2 that need started was too overwhelming and I knew I'd end up not doing anything with them if I kept them.
I'd hate to see what you think of the thousands of people who just see horses for what they technically are, livestock (which is NOT how I see them btw). My own cousin told me one that if you have a stall and feed you can keep a horse, that they don't need turn out or companionship because they don't have feelings and they're just livestock, she's not against kill buyers, and she's gone through twice as many horses as me and doesn't worry about who they go to, as long as they have the money, and she loves the stallion she has right now more than any other horse she's had but when she gets mad at him she always talks about selling or shooting him, which I can't even fathom.
Anyways, I know how to commit to a horse, but I have to know that I'm going to be willing to give that horse the attention that it should be getting, and sometimes I just can't force a connection with one.
And my point with the rescue was that they are trying and that they're good honest people, even though they're in over their heads with the amount of horses they take in, they're not like the other rescues that people were mentioning on here. And I think you read something wrong, this rescue has never ever drugged a horse before selling it, I would most definitely report that and not stand up for them if they did.

 

[abigalerose]

I think they just mean maybe she's lazy and not the best worker but not spooky at all. At least that was my interpretation of it lol

Oh that makes sense lol I was picturing crazy bronco that needs lots of work and then read bombproof after and I was like what?

 

[Bunnylady]

Penelope? Dont remember her but that doesnt suprise me. Youve flipped so many horses yourself since starting this thead im suprised you remember them all.

Easy, now. I've been a bit rough on the OP myself at times, but I think this is going a bit too far. She is young, and like a lot of young people, she has let herself get carried away at times. She has made mistakes, she admits to them, and she is learning from them. With the possible exception of Indie and Reno (who, if I recall, came as a package deal) I believe every horse the OP has had was acquired with the intent of keeping that animal long-term. Horses don't work out, people make you offers you can't refuse; there are lots of reasons that one might sell a horse that I don't consider "flipping." I worked for a time for a woman who was buying with the intent of selling, and I must admit, a lot of the time, I felt like an enabler. She wasn't cruel, just indifferent, and I reasoned that she'd do what she did whether or not I was involved, so I made it my job to try to make their time with her have as little chaos in it as possible.

I do remember Penelope (a champagne colored gaited horse - was she a Tennessee Walker?) that I seem to think was brought in because her gaits would make her easy for an older family member to ride. I believe abigalerose is trying to do right by the animals, which is part of the reason that the geldings are getting moved on. Recognizing that they are in over their head or getting stretched too thin and so need to scale things back is a responsible move for anyone to make, even if it means more disruption in already disrupted lives.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Actually, Facebook just banned selling animals on there. They are removing pages that are centered around buying and selling animals and removing posts about that as well, they aren't getting ALL of them yet, but they are doing it and it is against the rules, so you could potentially get banned for it since it's against the rules.

Though, I DID see an $1,800 dollar square bale on there that came with a free horse... so I guess there are ways around it.

Really? Why?

I just meant that they're already stretched so thin that I don't think they could afford to hire someone. But I don't know why no one volunteers.
It's only banned in the market place, so all the pages are still fine although there's been a lot of confusion because of it. Most pages are just switching to a closed group and carrying on.
They did have a contract and I got permission from them to sell Penelope. I'm also not "flipping" any horses and I remember every single horse I've had and who and where I got them from, and what their names were when I got them and what I renamed them, etc. and have only accidentally placed ONE in a dishonest home, and that was the first horse I sold, and he should've been a horse I kept for life but I thought it was best. So that was a lesson for me.
And I do understand the commitment of owning a horse, in fact I understand it so much that if I own a horse I don't click with or don't have time for but still like (like Reno and Indie), I do the right thing and find them good homes where they WILL get time spent with them. Maybe you can't understand that, but I would rather resell a horse than have it sit out in the pasture and never get messed with because we don't get along, that's not fair to the horse and IMO worse, because I'd be keeping, and neglecting, a horse that I don't care much about for no good reason when I know there's a better home for him or her out there.
If you found just the right horse on the first try than good for you.
I have the right horses now, I could NEVER let June and Jasmine go and I have lots of plans for them, and I also don't plan on bringing home anymore horses unless it's under very particular circumstances, which probably won't happen. And I'm not happy about selling Reno and Indie, I do really like them, but the thought of having a green broke horse, a weanling, and 2 that need started was too overwhelming and I knew I'd end up not doing anything with them if I kept them.
I'd hate to see what you think of the thousands of people who just see horses for what they technically are, livestock (which is NOT how I see them btw). My own cousin told me one that if you have a stall and feed you can keep a horse, that they don't need turn out or companionship because they don't have feelings and they're just livestock, she's not against kill buyers, and she's gone through twice as many horses as me and doesn't worry about who they go to, as long as they have the money, and she loves the stallion she has right now more than any other horse she's had but when she gets mad at him she always talks about selling or shooting him, which I can't even fathom.
Anyways, I know how to commit to a horse, but I have to know that I'm going to be willing to give that horse the attention that it should be getting, and sometimes I just can't force a connection with one.
And my point with the rescue was that they are trying and that they're good honest people, even though they're in over their heads with the amount of horses they take in, they're not like the other rescues that people were mentioning on here. And I think you read something wrong, this rescue has never ever drugged a horse before selling it, I would most definitely report that and not stand up for them if they did.

Ohhh okay, yeah i didn't mean hire people but they could post an ad for volunteers

 

[ShrekDawg]

Oh that makes sense lol I was picturing crazy bronco that needs lots of work and then read bombproof after and I was like what?

LOL yeah definitely a lot different meaning!