How can I identify Parent Stock Chickens?

[mooSa]

Yea I will, but should another question. How are the parent stock layers made? I mean the companies that buy parent stock to hatch their eggs and use those as layers for the business need to kill the parent stock after who knows how many years. So again What is the process to make parent stock?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I am completely confused by your questions.

Sjarvis, your understanding of genetics seems flawed--you can't get back to the genes of one bird that easily, and I can't thing of any colour genes in chickens that work like red bird plus white bird = tan bird

"Line" is typically used to mean a particular set of parents and their offspring.

Generations are usually referred to as F1, F2, F3, ... with the numbers indicating the number of generations separating them from the parents. (F1 are children, F2 grandchildren).

Ok let me make this more clear. This is concerning Laying Parent Stock.

1) How can I Identify Parent Stock hens compared with the hens of the parent stock. So Using the example below- Whats the difference between LINE 1 AND LINE 2.

2) Why are the chicks from parent stock useless when it comes to using them to make more chicks.
For example: Line 1 = Parent Stock
Line 2 = Chickens from Parent Stock used for laying business
Line 3 = Chickens from Line 2
Now why are line 3 Chickens not good layers and why cant i reproduce from line 2.

Why wouldn't they be good layers? They should be.
Why can't you reproduce from "line 2"? Or more specifically, why do you think you can't?

Are you asking about why the offspring of sex-links are not sex-linked? (grasping at straws here) Or asking why the breeds that are heavy layers tend to not go broody, producing chicks? (still grasping for straws)

Let's say you take a breed, not a cross. The chicks will all have the same look as their parents--indeed, you may not be able to tell them apart (when mature) if you don't band them.

Birds from exhibition lines of breeds that are known for not going broody sometimes will go broody, but if you want chicks from non-broody birds, you need an incubator.​

 

[mooSa]

Ok, Ill make this simple.

I was told that the parent stock is only used to make chicks out of, which will eventually be high layers. If you take these high layers and produce more chicks out of them, these chicks will not be as good layers.

So in order for me to hatch good quality layers, I need Parent stock.

And one of my questions was how do these companies reproduce parent stock?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

The offspring should lay just as well as their parents.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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They either breed in house for the breeders or they purchase them from other breeders who specialize in raising breeding stock.

Ideal breeds most of their own I believe but the do bring in fresh stock, it is a necessity even when staying in a pure breed to bring in fresh blood from time to time.

If you are looking for layers most sex linked can be bred from pure breeds, but they still probably will not lay as well as those that come from the hatcheries. I think in the long run it would be more economical to just buy the chicks from a hatchery.

But a good layer like the black sex link you could cross a production red to a production barred rock and get what your looking for. By all reports the BSL are exceptional layers.

 

[Katy]

I think you need to contact some of the poultry experts in your country so that maybe they can help you figure out a way to do what you want to accomplish. Surely your country has an agricultural department.

 

[cgmccary]

Generally, the pullets take after the Sire's mother in laying capabilities. So, get a Rooster whose Dam was a great layer!

 

[rabbithaus]

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It sounds like you are talking about the 'hybrid' or 'sex-linked' layers? Because those chicks are high layers but they don't reproduce themselves. Like how if you breed commercial cornishX chicks you don't get more chicks with their growth rate, etc.

 

[cgmccary]

rabbithaus:

mooSa wrote:

Ok, Ill make this simple.

I was told that the parent stock is only used to make chicks out of, which will eventually be high layers. If you take these high layers and produce more chicks out of them, these chicks will not be as good layers.

So in order for me to hatch good quality layers, I need Parent stock.

And one of my questions was how do these companies reproduce parent stock?

It sounds like you are talking about the 'hybrid' or 'sex-linked' layers? Because those chicks are high layers but they don't reproduce themselves. Like how if you breed commercial cornishX chicks you don't get more chicks with their growth rate, etc.​

oh that is the question. yeah, rabbit's right; you cannot reproduce the hybrid layers. The commercial industry guards their parent stock. My advice is just to get you some good laying breeds, which there are a number: the Leghorns being the best but also, Australorps, RIR, Barred Rocks-- all lay well & you can reproduce.​

 

[mooSa]

Ok so let me get this clear. For example, if I buy purebred Reds from a hatchery, can I reproduce them to get good layers?

The idea I had was that to get good layers u needed parent stock. So If i get the babies of parent stock and use those babies to make more babies. Will the line stay strong as layers with the same breed?

And are the commercial layers that are sold all cross bred so they cant be used for reproduction?