How can you tell if it's Maraks?

[Lady Badlands]

My saga with Mareks:

One of my RIR's began to be unable to walk. Her legs were splayed out, one in front and one in back. I felt terrible for her, so I made sure to pick her up and take her to the feed twice a day. After that I'd take her to the water. I'd leave a little feeder right in front of her so she could eat whenever she wanted. Except for her leg condition and inability to walk, she seemed fine. She ate ravenously. I used to sit in the coop and lay her belly up in the crook of my arm while watching the other chickens. She'd close her eyes and I'd sit there and cry. I figured I'd take care of her until I could see that she no longer wanted to live.

She had feces stuck to her tail feathers because she couldn't move when she pooped. I took her to my bathroom, turned her belly up and with a warm washcloth, I carefully blotted and rinsed, blotted and rinsed. The stuff was stuck so strong that it took a good hour to remove most of it. She just closed her eyes and didn't struggle. Sweet, sweet girl.

Someone told me about colloidal silver and how it killed viruses. People used to use real silverware in the old days for it's sterilizing effect on food. I heard that Marek's was a virus so I gave her a dropper full. She started to get better and in a couple of days, I gave her another dropper full. Her legs started to heal and when I could see that she would be walking again, I assisted her walking. In addition to the colloidal silver, my husband and I did visualizations akin to the ones you may have read about having little pac men eating up whatever of the virus remained.

My dream was that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between her and the other RIR's I have because she'd be walking normally again. Well, my wish has come true. She is totally healthy and the only way I can tell it's her is because she's a bit smaller than the others having gone through what she did.

Last week I noticed one of my New Hampshire Reds starting to limp. I waited a couple of days to see if she had injured it and perhaps it might go away. The limp was still there and getting worse. I captured her and gave her a dropper full of colloidal silver and within two days, she is no longer limping.

I'm not saying that this is some kind of miracle cure, but with Marek's, everyone is so darned sure that it's fatal, saying there is no cure, but that is simply not true in our case. Oh, by the way, all our chicks were vaccinated at 1 day old for Marek's.

I couldn't be happier, which is why I wanted to pass this on to anyone who is faced with this issue.

 

[minge]

Sorry it took me awhile to get back to you. I hope you chicken is doing better. So... MMS is Miracle Mineral Solution. You can find it online. It sounds similar in intention to the col. silver. It is used in humans to kill viruses. I figured what the hey, didn't have anything to lose...so our chicken is now doing very well. I'd say she is 75-80% better. Keeping our fingers crossed... I diluted the solution to 1-3 drops as directed and gave it to her on moisten bread. She is walking now, still a little unsteady, but much stronger and getting out of the hen house on her own to eat and drink. I am no longer feeding her right in front of her to encourage her to get out. I hope she stays strong and continues to get better. I am not sure if it was Mareks but i I am pretty sure it was some sort of virus. We did complete antibiotics too, but from my research, her symptoms seemed completely viral. Good luck with your little one!

 

[bethanyrae]

Thanks. She's still in my kitchen in a pen. The only symptom she seems to have is her legs. She can walk a little, but stumbles around. Spends most of her time sitting. I gave her the silver yesterday and a couple of days before. Waiting.

 

[bethanyrae]

Oh my goodness! I gave her the silver two times, every other day, and on the fourth day she's suddenly up and running around! This after a week of wobbly weak legs that she could hardly control. (One wanted to go forward, and the other back, just like they say of Maraks.) I put her outside in a separate pen for today, and come evening she was still so well I put her back in with the other hens. I'll keep watching her for relapses. This seems to have pushed the virus into dormancy!
Hmmmm......I wonder if this works on viruses like H1N1?

 

[Lady Badlands]

I'm SOOOO happy to hear how the Colloidal Silver worked on your hen. That is really great news. As I mentioned in an email I just sent you, I have a third now that is limping. I couldn't catch her tonight to get the silver in her, but I'm hoping to catch her by tomorrow. The stuff is totally amazing. It's like, instead of being annoyed that another caught it, I switched my attitude to appreciation for the Silver which can eliminate the virus!

I believe that the Silver can definitely help eliminate a virus in humans. It's actually meant for humans and people who use it swear by it. The H1N1 virus being a pandemic seems to be all about creating fear in people. The few I've know who've had it say it's a very mild version of the flu. However, I would take this Silver myself if I come down with any kind of virus.

 

[Lady Badlands]

Minge, I also have MMS, which my husband and I use on ourselves. It's good stuff. Can you tell me what you mixed the MMS with for your chicken? Did you use citric acid or vinegar? Also, if you used 3 drops of MMS, did you use 15 drops of the citric acid or vinegar? In addition, for humans, you mix those two items in a glass with about 1/4 glass of cranberry juice, pineapple juice, or any fresh juice that has no added Vitamin C. Did you put it in fruit juice for the chicken? I've been wanting to try the MMS on the chickens, but I was so uncertain of dosage.

Also, did you just dose the chicken once? When Jim Humble, the founder of the product, wanted to get rid of a bad case of say, Malaria, he would give two strong doses, 4 hours apart.

Sorry for all the questions, but the MMS can be strong and I want to make sure to dose her correctly. Thanks for your help!

 

[onlyonealice]

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What brand CS do you use? and how much should I give a 300 gram bantam?

thank You

 

[ratomytato]

I am letting people know that Hypericum is helping my bantam rooster that cant walk it as if he is drunk and falls down in all other ways he is completely h
ealthy. I have only been giving it to him going on the second day having more times that he is standing .
he was so bad that I found him laying on his back with his legs straight up in the air ... so it seems to be helping him .... it would be nice if someone knew what this is and how to cure it my other chickens are not showing any signs of it at all so far and this has been going on with him and getting progressively worse for almost two weeks . Good Luck to all hope it gets better and some diagnosis soon because its sad....

 

[casportpony]

I am letting people know that Hypericum is helping my bantam rooster that cant walk it as if he is drunk and falls down in all other ways he is completely h
ealthy. I have only been giving it to him going on the second day having more times that he is standing .
he was so bad that I found him laying on his back with his legs straight up in the air ... so it seems to be helping him .... it would be nice if someone knew what this is and how to cure it my other chickens are not showing any signs of it at all so far and this has been going on with him and getting progressively worse for almost two weeks . Good Luck to all hope it gets better and some diagnosis soon because its sad....

Welcome to BYC!

 

[seminolewind]

I am sorry you are overwhelmed, I know the feeling I currently have a rooster and I am trying to determine what wrong. He is unable to walk

So I have been doing a lot of research and this is what I have heard/am trying...
MoodyChicken posted this on another post, I don't know how to just direct you to the link so I will post what she wrote here, maybe it will help. Also I have heard that if its not Marek's, a good starting place is Enfamils Polyvisol w/ out Iron baby liquid vitamins (you can get at any grocery store) also vitamin B crushed up (for a large bird) and vitamin A. I wish you the best of luck! -Cortney




This isn't an emergency, just a helpful tidbit of information to help. Despite what you may have heard, there IS a cure for Marek's Disease. It is a homeopathic remedy called "Hypericum." Hypericum is a small creeping herb that, when used hollistically, numbs nerves and dulls pain. When given to a bird suffering from the symptoms of Marek's Disease, it will cure the bird by working on the theory that "like cures like," in other words, by giving the bird the symptoms it will take the symptoms away. I've used this herb with great success to fully cure birds of Marek's Disease. You can fnd Hypericum at health food stores, $8 for 100 tablets. Hypericum must be diluted before it can be used:

- 1 tablespoon of DISTILLED water per tablet Hypericum (must be distilled water, tap water is ionized and will deactivate the Hypericum)
- MUST be mixed in a GLASS or PLASTIC bowl (metal with react with the water and herb)
- drip 5-10 drops (bantam) or 10-15 drops (large fowl) on the afflicted bird's tongue. Be sure the bird rubs its beak together because the Hypericum MUST touch the sinuses (located on the roof of the mouth) in order to work
- treat every 12 hours (morning and night) with a fresh batch
- recovery may be as quick as 1 day or as slow as several months

The treatment works best if you begin treating early. If you delay treatment, the Hypericum may not work or it may be a very slow recovery. IF YOU OVERDOSE YOUR BIRDS ON HYPERICUM, don't worry. The bird will exhibit extreme symptoms, and make a drastic improvment within a 24 hours. Hypericum is also helpful for pain. Only treat birds that are showing symptoms.

HOW CAN I TELL IF MY BIRD HAS MAREK'S DISEASE?

Check your flock history. Marek's Disease affects birds as early as 6 months of age. Symtoms occur most commonly between 6-8 months of age; however, any age bird can become sick, it just becomes less common with age. The incubation period is 2 weeks.

SYMPTOMS INCLUDE: sudden death (fairly common), depression (common), gradual weight loss (fairly common), neck paralysis (not common), paleness (in conjunction with other symtoms), wing paralysis (common), leg paralysis (most common), star-gazing (fairly common), extreme sudden emaciation (rare), mishapen pupil (not common), gray iris (not common), crazy behavior (rare), unresponsive (common), internal tumor growth (not common), tumors on feather follicles (not common), fearful (not common)

Hope this helps someone!!! big_smile

Last edited by MoodyChicken (02/19/2009 10:21 pm)
-Courtney
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There is no cure for Marek's.