How do you live with a smoker?

I smoked for several years, and would have never acted like your mother. That is just rude. I hate butts on the ground. Ashtray was always empty. Stay away from open windows.

The bigger issue here, aside from her being rude, is the likely mental health issue she's dealing with. I'm not expert, but she sounds depressed. Combine that with the selfish behavior you described from when you were a child, and she is not someone anybody would want to live with.

I know you feel like you can't just kick her out, but maybe you could talk to her doctor about her behavior. At the very least, see if there is a support group YOU can join. The stress is unhealthy for you, too.
 
I have posted a bit of a vent before, but to sum it up, my mom lives with us since her divorce, (like 8+ years). She contributes very little to the household. We ask for no money, she doesn’t cook or buy food. I can’t trust her to watch the kids or even let out my dogs. She has one agreed upon chore, doing the dishes, aka running the dishwasher. She does it less than half the time, even though she only works about 15-20 hours per week at the mall. We bought her a car when she neglected hers too long and it broke, now the new used car is getting clunky because she does no up keep. it’s literally like having a teenager.

At some point she must have had some kind of mental break, because she has always been irresponsible, but near and after the divorce I noticed it was way worse than ever before. However suggesting to someone that they are mentally unwell does not get received well, so there will be no treatment until she’s so bad off that I need to legally get involved, let’s hope that’s far down the line.

My biggest issue and pet peeve is her constant smoking. I don’t allow it in the house and I never have. She strangled my brothers and I our whole lives by filling the house, car, wherever with smoke. As a kid I got many burns because I ran to hug my mom and got burned and then punished on top of that for not being careful. I recently looked at old pics of my kids from Halloween a few years ago. My son was 2, and I see him laying face down on the sidewalk crying, she is holding one hand to try to get him up, and waving her cigarette behind her in the other. Your frickin grandson fell and is crying, throw the cigarette in the street and pick him up. You can see me and my daughter in the background of the photo running towards them, hubby must have snapped the pic just as he fell.

Smokers seem to have this unreasonable level of selfishness. She throws cigarette butts on my walk, my deck, my porch, my lawn. I tell her to use an ashtray, I buy an ashtray, she overfills it and they fall out onto the ground and the dogs eat them and throw up all over, even on me in bed in the middle of the night. The only time the ashtray is emptied is if I or my husband does it. If I ask her to empty it she says she does, if I show her, she claims she just forgot that one time (there’s 40 butts in it, but she forgot just once!). She doesn’t check if the window that faces the deck is open, and smokes right in front of it. She tells everyone how unreasonable I am, I’m always attacking her, picking on her etc. she’s such a victim.

So we got 3 feet of snow. She just stands on the deck my husband shoveled a path to be clear for the dogs, and so I can get to my bird feed. She flicks her ashes onto the snow on the deck that the dogs constantly try to eat. As the snow melts, the ashes are all over the deck so people and dogs track them into the house. She puts her cigarettes out on my deck! Leaves little burn marks, but claims I’m wrong and she put it out in the snow. She’s not gonna be out there sanding and resealing the deck, I will be. As the snow melts I find clumps of butts in the front yard that she put out in the snow and just left there. There are burn marks in the concrete porch out front and on my beautiful walkway. The power washer doesn’t even get it off! I’m gonna buy one of those small metal trash cans and put it behind the bushes. I’ll put sand in it and tell her to put them there, but then I have to maintain this! I don’t want smelly cans of cigarette trash at my front and back doors, but I’m so tired of dog vomit and stinky ash smelling entry rugs. It’s bad enough her and her room stink all the time. I’m pretty sure she wakes up during the night and just smokes in bed, but I can’t prove it. She buys smelly oils and stuff that she thinks helps with the smell, and it smells like hippy stores, canvas and incense.

I have no idea what makes someone think throwing a cigarette butt on the ground isn’t littering. I’m so tired of not being able to enjoy my deck because she sits out there chain smoking on any nice days. I tell her, and she acts like I’m a huge a-hole. We have friends who are smokers, and we make them go to the back of the yard and smoke by the woods, she has never done that. All she does is smoke, she has always been skin and bones, but age makes it worse, and she will happily sit on the deck for hours in a bikini smoking. This is very awkward for guests and neighbors. We have a huge deck with 2 picnic tables, a pergola, chairs, fire pit etc, but we never use it because she will come out while we are out there and start smoking. Even if she smokes out front, I still smell her crappy off brand menthols all the way out back. My neighbor smokes Marlboro lights and I don’t smell them from his deck which is far closer, so maybe a menthol thing?

If I do ask her to stop doing something, it usually stops for 3-4 days, then business as usual. I’m not sure if there’s any solution, maybe just a vent. I’m making a grow out from a giant dog crate and I shoveled space on the deck so I can attach hardware cloth and stuff with room to move before my husband carries it down to the yard, and I found a trove of butts in the snow which prompted this post. Why are some smokers so unreasonable? My frenchie is about to go into heat, we plan to breed our frenchies this heat, and I worry about the puppies eating butts and choking. I purposely wanted to breed her in spring so I can put the puppies out on the deck in nice weather as they get older, but puppies find things in little crevices and it won’t be relaxing for me if I can’t read a book without pulling butts out of tiny jowls. I take great exception with the French bulldog standard, and after having a traditional bulldog with a tail pocket and face folds I had to meticulously clean and some other health issues, I decided to be the change I wish to see, and I looked long and hard for healthy dogs with normal length backs, straight legs, longer noses, and nubs they can lift, rotate, and wag. I’ve been looking forward to raising puppies, telling people about how great they are compared to other flat faced, roach backed dogs, but how will people feel if they come over and the puppies cough up cigarettes? I worry my little Meatball will choke on a butt instead of puking them out one of these times.

it’s all so frustrating. She doesn’t realize we don’t invite her to play board games or sit on the deck, because she smells like an ashtray. My husband had to take her car to the store because she blocked us in and he was humiliated his friend saw the junky car filled with empty packs and cartons, and he had to shower when he got home because he and his clothes smelled so bad. We have friends over on Saturday evenings, and she always comes out and has to hug everyone. They do not like it because she smells like cigarettes. It’s so gross and embarrassing.
At least you don't/didn't have to change her diapers
 
She sounds depressed and like smoking is her only joy in life.
Her lack of respect shows she is as miserable living with you as you are with her. I'm sorry for your situation.
I’ve often considered this. Idk what the solution is. She can’t live alone and we hate living together. It makes us feel like we hate each other, but we really just hate cohabitating.
 
At least you don't/didn't have to change her diapers
True. But my grandparents raised me until I was 9. So she didn’t change as many diapers as a lot of other single moms did, but I’m sure she changed plenty, so did I for the rest of her kids, my own kids, my elderly dog, it’s a price we pay for the privilege of shaping the future, and bringing joy into our lives.
 
I’ve often considered this. Idk what the solution is. She can’t live alone and we hate living together. It makes us feel like we hate each other, but we really just hate cohabitating.

Could a separate, small house on your property be an option? I'm thinking something with one main room and one bathroom. The main room would double as bedroom and "living" room, probably with a small fridge and a microwave as well.

That would let her have her own space, outside of your house, but still have her close enough that you can help if she needs help, and she could perhaps come to your house for 1-2 meals each day. (Or you could bring her a plate of whatever you cooked for dinner, if you and she prefer not to eat at the same table that often.)

Of course there are a lot of possible disadvantages--might not be enough space on your land, might not be legally permitted to put a separate dwelling unit on your property, it's not cheap to build it or renovate something so it works, it will stink of cigarette smoke forever after, she may object to the idea, etc. So I don't know whether it is possible, or whether it would actually help even if it is possible. :idunno
 
Perhaps I am out of line, but for your own sanity, you have got to get your mother out.

She is 65, not 90. Baring any physical health issues, she can be self-sufficient still.

I'm not saying you can't help her, I would never say that. But paying for her car insurance, because she chose not to, feeding her groceries, buying her a car, her not cleaning up after herself. We are not talking about a wayward teenager here. She is an adult woman.

She has shown no regard or kindness to you according to your initial post. I am not saying return in kind. I am just saying the life is too short to be miserable all the time.

Could you and your siblings each kick in enough money to help her with rent for a studio apartment? Is that a possible solution? Probably be a lot cheaper than paying her car insurance and feeding another adult and buying her replacement cars.
 
that was my point black_cat, a bit of a joking point. Anyway forget it, if vaping can stop someone smoking fine, but I wouldn't want to vape forever after that as I thought I could when I first tried it. Doctors make out is is 95% safer than smoking but that is only because there have been 100 years of documented smoking related deaths (although I believe the number is exagerated as I believe a healthy diet will mostly offset the damage smoking does but bad diet + smoking will destroy your body) so on paper there are not many sideeffects we are aware of yet from vaping because the long term effects have not kicked in yet as it is so new so that is on paper then millions of deaths from smoking vs very few from vaping so 95% safer.
Now if that makes sense I am santa claus!
 
What MamaBelle5 said.

This is just my opinion. If I'm out of line, well, I am.

Take the fact that she is your mother out of the equation. You are being taken advantage of. She will continue to do that until something or someone changes the circumstances. Tough love can go from child to parent, too.

It's your house. You have a right to live there as you like. You have a right to live your life. You are being held hostage by this person, and so is your husband.

Yes, she sounds depressed. Therapy only helps if you work at it and WANT help. She also sounds very manipulative. But, you are letting her do this to you and your husband.

If the tables were turned, if you were 21, living with her and acting the way she is, I would tell her to throw you out.

I'm sorry for your situation. I'm sorry everyone there is miserable.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, too.
 

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