How exactly, do you tie a dead chicken to the dog who killed it?

[WriterofWords]

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Once again, you are thinking of a dog as a human, or worse a small child. Believe me, if this method were cruel, don't you think I would have to chase, grab, and stuff my dogs into their crates everyday? All we have to do is say, "go to bed boys!" and they charge into their respective crates. As far as feeding goes, they are fed twice a day, morning and night. We've had many dogs, only one was a self-feeder like a cat, but the other dogs that weren't would gobble down her food. They must have controlled diets and feeding times or they would look like someone who ate all 3 meals a day at Dunkin' Donuts. We do have water for them in the crates, but they hardly touch it during the day. IMHO people who do not treat dogs this way end up with fat, undisciplined dogs, and probably a trashed house or property. If you still see this as cruel, or equate it to anything a dirtbag like Michael Vick has done, YOU need to do some research.

I am happy for you if this works for you. My house is not trashed, my property is not trashed, my dogs don't look like they eat at Dunkin' Donuts. I personally do not believe in jailing. I knew I would step on toes, and I knew I would be attacked. Good luck to you on this topic, it has brought about some interesting discussion and defenses.

 

[Buff Hooligans]

There are merits to both.

 

[miss_thenorth]

I have a hunting dog(wirehaired pointing griffon). I have a rottweiler. I have six chickens. I have the hunting dog and the rottie, with me when I am with the chickens. My dogs don't go near the chickens when I am not there. When we first go the chickens, we had a "teaching session" for the dogs. It involves submission, and pack hierarchy.

We put the chickens in a cage, and got the dogs to lie down beside the cage in a submissive position. If they showed intense interested in the chickens, they got a correction to go back to their submissive position. this continued until they were completely oblivious to the chickens.

then we took a chicken out. Proceeded with the submission training until they could care less. This took several hours, over several days.

They know the pecking order in our house, and they need to be at the bottom of the pecking order--ie, their place in the pack. My dh and I are top dogs, so to speak. then my kids, then my cats, then my chickens. this is how it happens in the wild. 9wolves etc.) Dogs, being dogs will always try to up their position in the pack. that is why my dogs are not out when my chickens are. But when I am with them, I keep the pecking order intact.

\\My kids are older now, so they can enforce the pecking order, as in being top dogs with themselves the dogs and cats. but not with my chickens. Dogs' natural predator instinct is very strong, and to be fair to their "dogness" I don't give them that freedom of choice.

As for discipline , tying a dead chicken to a dog is ludricrous, and cruel, as well as ridiculous. this does not teach anything beneficial. W, as humans mus tbe responsible for our dogs. If you can't catch them in the act and discipline them for it right away, it is ineffective discipline. And it is an accident that must have more attention spent on it to make sure it doesn't happen again. In other words, it's sad to say, but it is human error, not doggie error.

As far as crate training is concerned. there are pros and cons to it. I think the pros far outweigh the cons, as far as I'm concerned. When my dogs were in the house, they were crate trained-- as puppies, and later, their crates were there, and they CHOSE to use them. My dogs now live in the garage, b/c living on a farm, now has given them ample oppoertunity to roll around in stinky stuff (horse poo etc), so I chose not to give them a bath every night so they could come in the house. they are perfectly content living in the garage, and still get plenty of loving.

In order to discipline a dog, you have to think like a dog. humans have very complex brains, and can figure out how dogs live and interact in the wild. Dogs, on the other hand, can not even begin to comprehend how to think like a human. Most dog behaviour problems are people generated.

At first I thought that the subject of this thread was a joke. And then reality sets in...

 

[Galaxie_Man]

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I'm sorry you felt "attacked", that is never my intention. But I must defend my position on raising my dogs and crate training. I think maybe you have a mental image of dogs crammed in a dark confined box, like a prisoner in solitary. If people treat their dogs that way they are wrong (thank you Michael Vick). My crates are made of heavy steel wire and are open on all sides. The are located in my bright warm basement, in front of the window. There is plenty of bedding material in each one so the boys are comfortable. I only brought up the trashed house and property issue because we had a rescue Afghan Hound that came to us because that was exactly what he did. No discipline or boundaries and was basically a wild animal. It took a long time to undo what his previous idiot owners did to him. I know we could have never had our chickens if we still had him. As far as fat dogs go, it doesn't take much for a dog to be overweight, and I see dogs so fat they can barely walk, and their owners are in complete denial. To me that is abusive.
One last thing, if I worked from home, were retired, or fabulously wealthy and didn't need to work, then this would be a non-issue. My dogs would rarely see the inside of a crate.

 

[WriterofWords]

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I'm sorry you felt "attacked", that is never my intention. But I must defend my position on raising my dogs and crate training. I think maybe you have a mental image of dogs crammed in a dark confined box, like a prisoner in solitary. If people treat their dogs that way they are wrong (thank you Michael Vick). My crates are made of heavy steel wire and are open on all sides. The are located in my bright warm basement, in front of the window. There is plenty of bedding material in each one so the boys are comfortable. I only brought up the trashed house and property issue because we had a rescue Afghan Hound that came to us because that was exactly what he did. No discipline or boundaries and was basically a wild animal. It took a long time to undo what his previous idiot owners did to him. I know we could have never had our chickens if we still had him. As far as fat dogs go, it doesn't take much for a dog to be overweight, and I see dogs so fat they can barely walk, and their owners are in complete denial. To me that is abusive.
One last thing, if I worked from home, were retired, or fabulously wealthy and didn't need to work, then this would be a non-issue. My dogs would rarely see the inside of a crate.

I wish I could work from home, be retired or fabulously wealthy too. I don't see that happening anytime soon though.

 

[seagullplayer]

All I can tell you is that it has worked for us, at least for the last 8 years or so, I'll let you know when it fails.
The old man that told me about it thought it worked pretty good too...

If "pecking order" was the answer I would think you could let your dogs and chickens both out while you are not home?

Our chickens, as well at the dog are all "free range", while we are at work all day.

 

[PurpleChicken]

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I'm sorry you felt "attacked", that is never my intention. But I must defend my position on raising my dogs and crate training. I think maybe you have a mental image of dogs crammed in a dark confined box, like a prisoner in solitary. If people treat their dogs that way they are wrong (thank you Michael Vick). My crates are made of heavy steel wire and are open on all sides. The are located in my bright warm basement, in front of the window. There is plenty of bedding material in each one so the boys are comfortable. I only brought up the trashed house and property issue because we had a rescue Afghan Hound that came to us because that was exactly what he did. No discipline or boundaries and was basically a wild animal. It took a long time to undo what his previous idiot owners did to him. I know we could have never had our chickens if we still had him. As far as fat dogs go, it doesn't take much for a dog to be overweight, and I see dogs so fat they can barely walk, and their owners are in complete denial. To me that is abusive.
One last thing, if I worked from home, were retired, or fabulously wealthy and didn't need to work, then this would be a non-issue. My dogs would rarely see the inside of a crate.

I have had a few dogs in my life and have tried training them different ways. I never
believed in crate training. I thought it was stupid. I was completely wrong. Our
last two dogs have been crate trained and go in a small pen together, in the house,
when we are gone.

Crate training is by far the best way to potty train. The combination of a crate
and positive reinforcement cannot be beat.

One of our dogs loves his crate and goes in on his own for no reason. It's "his"
space.

Writerofwords, if you haven't used this method I can see why you may not understand or
even object to it. But Mike Vick references??? That's harsh.

It's also true dogs don't know the passage of time. It's debatable that they know 30
seconds from 5 hours. I've done a test on this one. I put the dogs in their crate
or pen, leave for 2 minutes, then walk back in the house. The dogs act like I've been
gone all day.

 

[akcskye]

I third the notion of crate training.

Dogs like to have a place of "their own"...and I completly trained my Miniature Schnauzer for the kennel.

When it's bed time, I say "is it good night night time?" and she runs and even opens up the kennel herself with her paw...thank goodness the handles aren't inside! haha

She LOVES her crate...I have Mr. Fleecy in there (her fleece baby blanket), Mr. Lambolini (her plush lamb style crate pad) and a few toys and a water bottle.

If you try to get her out of there before she is ready...she'll growl at you.

I think the concept of viewing the crate as a jail should be at least attempted to be seen from a different view.

Dogs love places of their own, as I have said, and a crate is Skye's "don't mess with me zone".

If she didn't like it, she wouldn't go to it by herself sometimes when she needs time out from the cats.

 

[WriterofWords]

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All right, I had to go back and quote myself before I get anymore nasty grams. Notice it says right in there: I don't mean the person on here either Ok??? I am not comparing the byc member to Vick. Now, I will drop this subject, Galaxie and I agreed to disagree, we handled it. Get off my back!