How many birds can I manage

The USDA gives 2.5 sq ft coop space per bird. I don't know if they have a run guide. This site generally goes with 4 sq ft in the coop and 10 sq ft in the run. So using this sites numbers you have the room for 27 in the coop and 51 in the run. The numbers a elastic and the flock can do well on different amounts space. In some ways its trial and error
 
I read today (Sorry, I don't remember what the book was. We were just browsing in Barnes and Noble.) that 10 sq. feet per bird should keep them happy. This author said to add the coop and the run and then get your number. I don't agree with that 100% but in some cases I'm sure it works. If someone has a tiny coop and huge run, it wouldn't really work out in bad weather. I think everyone has a different opinions on how much room is enough. I've heard 4/6/10 sq feet per chicken. We are going to keep mostly bantams and silkies. I have 3 standard size red sex links, a few polish and a couple of turkens right now and 30 bantams and silkies coming in a couple of weeks. My shed/coop is 8x12 and the run right now is 10x10 (hoping to expand) and the free range a couple of hours a day. Here's how mine breaks down at 10 sq ft per chicken:

8x12 shed/coop=9-10 chickens
10x10 run=10 chickens
both together=19-20 chickens

That's a huge difference in how many we can/could/should keep. I am hoping to keep 15 or so. I might end up making a second coop/run if I decide to hatch any chicks. If we keep nothing but bantams and silkies should we be able to keep twice as many? I don't know. I think we could have 5 chickens and if someone is a trouble maker no one will be happy! Keep the roosters down or out and get rid of any trouble makers and you might be able to keep more than others with everyone still healthy and happy!
 
The USDA gives 2.5 sq ft coop space per bird. I don't know if they have a run guide. This site generally goes with 4 sq ft in the coop and 10 sq ft in the run. So using this sites numbers you have the room for 27 in the coop and 51 in the run. The numbers a elastic and the flock can do well on different amounts space. In some ways its trial and error
2.5 sq. ft per bird is for tightly packed layer houses with debeaked chickens.
 
I am trying to decide where the flex point is between breaking even in selling eggs and feeding the chickens. Ultimately id like to turn a profit on my birds. But I am not even sure what I should charge per dozen in my area.
There is a difference between how many can I keep and showing a profit. To show a profit you have to sell the excess eggs. I'd start small and increase the size of your flock if you are consistently selling all of the eggs.
 
Most people on here sware by 10sqft per bird. If you read "Raising Chickens for Dummies", I have read GREAT reviews for this book from several people on this site as well as others, it says:

"Give chickens enough space. Crowded conditions lead to stress and injuries from fighting. Each chicken needs a minimum of two square foot of shelter and three square foot of outdoor run area"

So, if you use 10sqft that is preferred on this site or look at other sources, you have enough room for the 20 you have plus more. If your birds are cramped they will let you know
 
Thanks Deborah. I am trying to decide where the flex point is between breaking even in selling eggs and feeding the chickens. Ultimately id like to turn a profit on my birds. But I am not even sure what I should charge per dozen in my area.
What you charge should first start with what it costs to produce the eggs. It costs far more than most people believe. You have to factor in everything that goes into the carton, including the carton itself. And remember that you feed chicks for at least 18 weeks before you see a single egg, and you feed them when they moult and aren't laying.

chick + shipping
chick starter
layer feed
oyster shell
grit
dewormer
bedding
electricity
water
hen house
run
waterers
feeders
wheel barrow
shovel
perches
nest boxes
egg cartons
carton labels
egg wash soap
gasoline to get to the feed store
marketing materials, like sign at the end of the drive and what you spend registering your URL if you have a blog
Money spent to register as a business

All things considered, our eggs cost us $2.68/dozen. We charge $3 wholesale and $3.50 retail. I'd love to charge more, but the market won't bear a higher price right now. You won't get rich in the egg business.

I agree with starting small and adding started pullets as you get consistent orders. At first, you may be swamped with orders because of the curiosity factor, but not all those people will become regular customers. So if you get a ton of hens and then all those customers don't become regulars, you'll be donating a lot of eggs to the local food pantry (that's not all bad, though--you help people and get a tax break and the same time).
 
What you charge should first start with what it costs to produce the eggs. It costs far more than most people believe. You have to factor in everything that goes into the carton, including the carton itself. And remember that you feed chicks for at least 18 weeks before you see a single egg, and you feed them when they moult and aren't laying.

chick + shipping
chick starter
layer feed
oyster shell
grit
dewormer
bedding
electricity
water
hen house
run
waterers
feeders
wheel barrow
shovel
perches
nest boxes
egg cartons
carton labels
egg wash soap
gasoline to get to the feed store
marketing materials, like sign at the end of the drive and what you spend registering your URL if you have a blog
Money spent to register as a business

All things considered, our eggs cost us $2.68/dozen. We charge $3 wholesale and $3.50 retail. I'd love to charge more, but the market won't bear a higher price right now. You won't get rich in the egg business.

I agree with starting small and adding started pullets as you get consistent orders. At first, you may be swamped with orders because of the curiosity factor, but not all those people will become regular customers. So if you get a ton of hens and then all those customers don't become regulars, you'll be donating a lot of eggs to the local food pantry (that's not all bad, though--you help people and get a tax break and the same time).
so I know this is a "per case" scenario but we also have a produce farm we are licensed by our state to sell produce and eggs. The website we have is for both. The tools IE wheel barrel and shovels and what not are used by both (and were owned before this venture started. So that should lower my per dozen overhead? MY wife is dealing with the books and business I am just raising chickens and working dirt. We are school teachers and want to develop a business solely for our three sons to have jobs at home through high school the plan is to manage it and let them earnm for themselves without needing a ride to work. also What is "egg wash soap" ive not heard of that.

check out our little business (not advertising just asking for opinions) we are in Kansas.

www.naturesfirstgreenisgold.com
 
I can't fully agree with everything on WalkingOnSunshine's list.

oyster shell

grit
If you get oyster shell you don't need grit.

dewormer
Only if you have a worm problem. We never have.

hen house
Depends on the weather where you live. Here in Central Texas a little shelter that I made from scrap lumber is all they need.

run
Fencing, sure, but the run itself?

feeders
You can make your own.

wheel barrow
Already owned one, but use it infrequently for the chickens. Usually just a bucket is all we need.

shovel
ibid.

perches
Built some, but they don't use them much.

nest boxes
We use plastic milk crates on a frame built out of scrap lumber.

carton labels
Not required here, so it depends on the laws where you are. I did print up some business cards on card stock that we usually include it the cartons.

egg wash soap
Only if you wash your eggs. Our customers expect dirty eggs.

marketing materials, like sign at the end of the drive and what you spend registering your URL if you have a blog
Our sign I made out of scrap lumber. Did have to buy a couple of quarts of paint, and it's a onetime expense. We don't have a blog so...

Money spent to register as a business
Again, depends on the laws where you live. Here in Texas, as long as we just sell from our home we don't need one.

Of course, if you want to any expenses are tax deductible, but than you'll have to list the income as well. We operate under the theory that what the taxman doesn't know doesn't hurt him. ;)

Our girls have been profitable for over 2 years now, and have even bailed us out a couple of times in cash emergencies. :yiipchick
 
I can't fully agree with everything on WalkingOnSunshine's list.

oyster shell

grit
If you get oyster shell you don't need grit.

dewormer
Only if you have a worm problem. We never have.

hen house
Depends on the weather where you live. Here in Central Texas a little shelter that I made from scrap lumber is all they need.

run
Fencing, sure, but the run itself?

feeders
You can make your own.

wheel barrow
Already owned one, but use it infrequently for the chickens. Usually just a bucket is all we need.

shovel
ibid.

perches
Built some, but they don't use them much.

nest boxes
We use plastic milk crates on a frame built out of scrap lumber.

carton labels
Not required here, so it depends on the laws where you are. I did print up some business cards on card stock that we usually include it the cartons.

egg wash soap
Only if you wash your eggs. Our customers expect dirty eggs.

marketing materials, like sign at the end of the drive and what you spend registering your URL if you have a blog
Our sign I made out of scrap lumber. Did have to buy a couple of quarts of paint, and it's a onetime expense. We don't have a blog so...

Money spent to register as a business
Again, depends on the laws where you live. Here in Texas, as long as we just sell from our home we don't need one.

Of course, if you want to any expenses are tax deductible, but than you'll have to list the income as well. We operate under the theory that what the taxman doesn't know doesn't hurt him.
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Our girls have been profitable for over 2 years now, and have even bailed us out a couple of times in cash emergencies.
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so how many birds do you have? I dont see much overhead to this myself. I have built a run or about half of it. The coop or hen house was just a matter of preadator proofing one of my barn stalls $30 in poultry wire. the tools i have had for years no expense there and I hatched the eggs in an incubator that belongs to my school and in my classroom no expense there. I did by the eggs to hatch $12.50 for 5 dozen eggs got 20 birds out of the hatch. I built feedewrs from pvc two of them each hold 15 pounds of feed and a waterewr from a 5 gal bucket and a pan (thank God for hydrodynamics) $5 there.
Alll in ALll at the 6 wek mark i am less than $70 into this project. and now all i am buying is food. still using medicated starter... when should i switch by the way and when should i add grit or oyster shells?
 

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