How to deal with hawks in the yard?

[Crooked Chicken]

I had supplied an appropriate link to enable guessing to be taken out of the mix a couple of times, but as it doesn't seem to be used, and as we don't have a limitless supply of Hawk types I'll present them for you.

We have 1 Genus Pandionidae, 3 Falconidae, 5 Accipitridae, and a Partridge in a pair tree. Does it really matter?

The point is that those birds are all protected whether it's a hawk or falcon.
https://www.fws.gov/birds/management/managed-species/migratory-bird-treaty-act-protected-species.php
All hawks and owls are federally protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (16 USC, 703-711). These laws strictly prohibit the capture, killing, or possession ofhawks or owls without special permit.

 

[besorto]

I don't think I'd be able to hold back my anger if a predator took my little polish hen. She's my pride and joy

 

[Folly's place]

Polish and Silkies, or any birds with those cute top knots, are easy prey because they can't see well, especially up, where the raptors are. The only truly safe place is in a secure coop and run. Free ranging is wonderful, until disaster strikes!
So, how risk-adverse are you? I have lost birds out there, but generally let my birds range. Right now they are locked in because one was taken, probably by a hawk, a couple of days ago.
Mary

 

[imnukensc]

Peregrine falcon is one of the few permanent residents. I have been frankly amazed having just researched this how many birds are supposed to either live or visit our shores, but these are a permanent feature.

The bird is dead, just like the parrot in the Monty Python parrot skit. ITS DEAD.

So it isn't going to look majestic.

Here are two photo's. Mine, and, a Peregrine Falcon from some reference photo's.... There are subsets, the plumage is not always identical, but these two are very similar no? I have seen other reference photo's that look less similar. Then there's age and sex. I'm sorry but I don't think this has become a cause celebre. It does bear a resemblance to a Merlin.

All I know is the locals call it a Chicken Hawk.

Here is a list of low concern species, and the endangered are not hawks/raptors.

http://datazone.birdlife.org/species/results?cty=86&rlLC=Y&rec=N&vag=N&hdnAction=ADV_SEARCH

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Peregrine falcons are not a permanent resident in any part of Grenada or Grenada W.I. They do, however, migrate through there. What you killed was an immature broad winged hawk. The picture of your "trophy" that you're so proud of killing looks nothing like a peregrine falcon.

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Peregrine_Falcon/id

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Broad-winged_Hawk/id

 

[Grenadianexpat]

Peregrine falcons are not a permanent resident in any part of Grenada or Grenada W.I. They do, however, migrate through there. What you killed was an immature broad winged hawk. The picture of your "trophy" that you're so proud of killing looks nothing like a peregrine falcon.

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Peregrine_Falcon/id

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Broad-winged_Hawk/id

Due to this obsession displayed about something immaterial, I have looked at sundry images, and quite frankly there are several that have similarities. Birds whilst being the same family do not look exactly the same.. Look at your chickens.

I do wonder why there is this obsession with trying to dictate what is happening in MY country. These birds what ever they are called are breeding pairs, and they circle and gyrate all year round. They LIVE HERE. They are not as per one of your links about broad winged something or other part of a flock.

And no I am not proud of killing them, that is your perception of what I should be feeling. You seem to be very good at putting your take on things. Maybe you should try asking rather than thinking.

I had stated previously I respect them, and admire them, and wish them well when they are catching lizards, mice, rats, other peoples chickens. But I am not going to stand by like a loon and gaze admiringly while they eat at my expense. Every chick, small bird taken is revenue lost.

Were I aware of them being endangered I would perhaps create or buy a sonic device to avoid killing them. As per the link I have provided a couple of times, there is only ONE endangered species, it is the National Bird, and it's demise as far as I can see is being brought about by the stupidity of the Government. Who are allowing development in the one area it lives, saying there is a special place being created for them as part of the project... So you disrupt their habitat, and make a special place for a creature that has run away and died.

As it is it is, stock protection is part of Farm husbandry. You kill Chickens, you kill livestock for food, you kill foxes, Coyotes, and sundry other critters that predate, maybe there is a coyote foundation out there ready to challenge their demise, because they are furry.

Finally, I see them fairly frequently, you may not be able to tell from the picture, but all of them are around the same size, and as they tend to gyrate in pairs they are NOT immature anything, and I repeat not part of a migratory flock.

 

[igorsMistress]

Due to this obsession displayed about something immaterial, I have looked at sundry images, and quite frankly there are several that have similarities. Birds whilst being the same family do not look exactly the same.. Look at your chickens.

I do wonder why there is this obsession with trying to dictate what is happening in MY country. These birds what ever they are called are breeding pairs, and they circle and gyrate all year round. They LIVE HERE. They are not as per one of your links about broad winged something or other part of a flock.

And no I am not proud of killing them, that is your perception of what I should be feeling. You seem to be very good at putting your take on things. Maybe you should try asking rather than thinking.

I had stated previously I respect them, and admire them, and wish them well when they are catching lizards, mice, rats, other peoples chickens. But I am not going to stand by like a loon and gaze admiringly while they eat at my expense. Every chick, small bird taken is revenue lost.

Were I aware of them being endangered I would perhaps create or buy a sonic device to avoid killing them. As per the link I have provided a couple of times, there is only ONE endangered species, it is the National Bird, and it's demise as far as I can see is being brought about by the stupidity of the Government. Who are allowing development in the one area it lives, saying there is a special place being created for them as part of the project... So you disrupt their habitat, and make a special place for a creature that has run away and died.

As it is it is, stock protection is part of Farm husbandry. You kill Chickens, you kill livestock for food, you kill foxes, Coyotes, and sundry other critters that predate, maybe there is a coyote foundation out there ready to challenge their demise, because they are furry.

Finally, I see them fairly frequently, you may not be able to tell from the picture, but all of them are around the same size, and as they tend to gyrate in pairs they are NOT immature anything, and I repeat not part of a migratory flock.

That sounds a lot like the ranchers who moved where the wolves lived and then got mad when the wolves ate the cows. Maybe you should lock up your birds instead of killing other birds that are doing what they were put here to do, hunt.

 

[Grenadianexpat]

The point is that those birds are all protected whether it's a hawk or falcon.
https://www.fws.gov/birds/management/managed-species/migratory-bird-treaty-act-protected-species.php
All hawks and owls are federally protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (16 USC, 703-711). These laws strictly prohibit the capture, killing, or possession ofhawks or owls without special permit.

Let me see, I know you guys invaded back in 83, on a bogus claim that your students were in imminent danger. But apart from leaving the Med School you picked up and left.

We welcome several hundred American Students a year, and several thousand cruising day trippers to drop a dollar or two as they view our quaint little Island. But it is a sovereign State, and while it does sign up to sundry treaties as far as I am aware it is not governed in any shape or form by Americas Fish and Wildlife service.

Not to mention the same piece of information I gave on another reply. These Birds... what ever they are... seem to LIVE here, not migrate They are never seen as part of a flock. They are visible all year round. They screech in the heavens, and gyrate as a nesting pair. Not everything belongs to America or is governed by America the land of fossil fuels.

I think if you look at the migratory map on the link one of you guys provided

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Peregrine_Falcon/id

The migratory route does not follow the Caribbean chain so much as straight up Central America.

Again. This bird is a resident.

 

[DuckLady]

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