How to find a responsible dog breeder

Mahonri, the breeders with the stud dogs you are interested in may be worried about your b*tch (i have had the same experience with 'grump'!) producing pet quality or otherwise less than desirable pups. Now, I am in no way suggesting I think your b*tch will do this, I'm just thinking this may be what the breeders are thinking. They may be concerned that when you sell or place the other pups, if they turn out pet quality, and it gets back to other golden people, the gossip will start that "so-and-so's dog produced a litter and not-a-one was show quality" and therefore hurt their stud dog's reputation.

The dog world is really quite small and a lot of gossip goes on. Their is also a lot of snobbery in the dog world, especially when the snob perceives the one snobbed at owning a lesser quality dog. People considered 'pet people' or 'pet owners' are also commonly looked down upon by some circles.

More breeders than I would care to admit are more interested in producing show quality dogs, ie beauty queens, than improving the breed's health or breeding to the standard. Some breeders actually will hide their dog's flaws with hair dying, removable braces, knee repair scars on the INSIDE of the leg, etc and breed these dogs and the faults are perpetuated generation after generation. I know because I have dealt with people like this. Some folks used to switch out OFA xrays, which is why you have to show up with the dog's papers if you are going to send in the xrays to OFA. Now they will switch out the dogs and go to a vet that is unfamiliar with the dog's appearance. They give not a thought to the best interests of the breed and you really have to wonder exactly what motivates them to do these things. I have always assumed greed, prestige and ego, but I could be wrong.

I do not breed, only train. Anytime you breed a b*tch you are placing her at risk from infections and possible death during delivery or later. I do not choose to place my beloved companions at risk; there are always a lot of dogs to choose from out there and even though they will be different you will love them all the same.

A responsible breeder always follows the lives of their pups and always has room to take a pup or grown dog back should they become homeless because the owners are divorcing etc instead of allowing one of their pups go to the shelter or be put down at the pound. I am not set up to care for extra dogs.

A responsible breeder is obligated to breed the healthiest puppies he possibly can and therefore is morally obligated to health test the dam and ask for health tests on the dog. If a pup has a defective heart, for example, a breeder will accept that puppy back and refund the purchase price or give a replacement puppy.

One of the biggest hearbreaks of my life was when the best and most intelligent dog I ever trained came down at 4 yrs old with genetic ataxia. I love my dogs and I loved this dog and invested 4 intense years of training into her and she was the 4th all time champion TDX in the breed. She was displastic, had severe skin issues and at last showed up with genetic ataxia and had to be retired at 4 1/2yrs. I had to put her down at 11 yrs when her throat froze due to the ataxia and she could no longer swallow. That is the youngest I have ever lost a dog and I hold all my dogs in my arms as they pass. The breeder denied responsibility for it and I hated her for it for a long time. I later found out that the breeder had been aware of these issues but had encouraged me to breed her anyway before 2 yrs old. I was so glad I had not.
She recently has had 3 of her own dogs come down with the same ataxia and it is now so prevalent in her lines she has had to stop breeding. She has lots of puppies out there that carry the same gene.

You wouldn't want to break someone's heart, would you? Or worse yet a child's?

There is a lot more to being a responsible and moral breeder than initially meets the eye. I would think long and hard about breeding a litter of any breed.

PS I keep a close eye on the conformation rings of several breeds and as far as I can tell you can put a championship on some d*mn ugly dogs.
 
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If someone called me with regard to breeding to my stud dog, the first question out of my mouth is going to be "What health testing does your girl have, and does she have any titles."

If not, I would be willing to help the person find out how to do the health testing, but it is not likely I would offer him to people who do not compete in any venue, and here is why:

I have spent 20+ years and countless thousands of dollars studying my breed, training, participating in various events, and getting to the point where I am now.

I would not offer my dog to b.itches belonging to people who are not going to place the puppies in carefully screened homes, or who would be placing all puppies in non-competitive homes. I have not spent 2 decades getting where I currently am with my breed to produce puppies who are not going to be seen, and who may be placed inappropriately.

Some people breed dogs and don't care about pedigrees, dog shows, health testing, etc. That is their business.

When one calls a breeder to ask about using one of their dogs, then it becomes the breeder's business.

If one wants to breed without regard to what is best for the particular dog and the breed, without screening potential homes, or selling on a contract, etc, then one should read the newspaper and select a like minded person who has an opposite sex dog.

It might also not be out of place to remind people who might be reading this that while breeding animals can be a fabulous experience with the miracle of life, it can also be an experience with the miracle of death as well.

Every breeding risks the life of the b.itch. Complications happen. B.itches die, despite the best of care in the hands of very experienced breeders. In the hands of the inexperienced, sometimes the death rate is higher. Puppies can die. B.itches can refuse the young, or have no milk. Herpes virus can wipe out an entire litter in days.

In certain breeds including Golden Retrievers, inherited heart disease is a silent killer. It can kill puppies either in utero, shortly after birth, or within the first year of life. I know someone who just lost a 5 month old Rottweiler puppy who was born with a heart murmur. Death happens when you breed animals.

If YOU (collectively) want to breed dogs, fine. The US is a free country which grants certain property rights to us as citizens, and dogs are property in the US.

However, I don't think it is right to get all huffy because someone with a pedigreed show dog declines to offer him to a pet b.itch belonging to an inexperienced owner.

JMO as always!
 
redhen, people own dogs for different reasons. Your real reason may not be somebody elses' real reason. Neither is less valid than the other.
 
Redyre Rotties also has a valid view and good advice. People give me pedigree dogs now because they know they will earn titles and be seen, even if not always in the conformation ring.
 
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This is so very true! BUT..I dont look down on those people..now do i? I could care less why people have their dogs..but dont sit and judge me because i dont meet your standards...As i'm sure they wont meet MY standards for how i treat my dogs. Dogs to me are more than a money market...and i dont treat them as such. I actually LOVE my pets...each and EVERY one of them. Not so sure some of these breeders that are so judgemental can say the same.. again, just MY opinion on it.
 
First let me say I am not a big time show breeder, but I have shown my dogs and bred a couple of litters in the past. At no time have I ever looked down on "pet people". At this time I am just a "pet person" myself.
If someone came to me with a hunchback, long legged, poorly bred dachshund b*tch and wanted to breed to my male, I would certainly turn them down. Not because I'm afraid of my dog producing "pet quality" pups and getting a bad reputation, and not because I'm a snob who looks down on pet people, but because as a stud dog owner, I feel just as responsible as the b*tch owner for bringing puppies into this world. If she is not a b*tch that I personally would breed, why would I breed my dog to her? If she is really poor quality, I would also have to consider that her owner doesn't really have the best interest of the breed at heart and may not be particularly responsible about placing the puppies. I don't want any puppy that I cause to be born to end up in a bad situation. Sometimes that happens no matter how careful we are, but I certainly want to minimize the chances. Placing puppies was one of the main reasons I gave up breeding. I had nightmares about it.
I don't think that every dog that is ever bred has to be a top quality show dog, but they should be very good representatives of their breed and just being registered does not make that so. Being a good pet does not make that so. Any dog with a decent temperament can be a good pet - purebred or mixed. But if you are breeding purebred dogs, don't you want the breed to continue to look and act like the breed it is supposed to be? Even aside from health issues (which are obviously very important), I want a dachshund that looks and acts like a dachshund is supposed to. So many really don't because people have bred increasingly poor quality ones together with no thought as to breeding to the standard for so many generations that the end result is a caricature of what a dachshund is supposed to be.
 
Holly...i wasnt talking about you.
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i was just speaking in general terms. Those breeders that do look down at "pet people" and "pet owners" know who they are. ALso, there is nothing..i say, NOTHING wrong with wanting to better a breed! I think thats a good noble thing to do! But your beliefs should not involve looking down at others...know what i mean?
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See, you look down on them for not treating their dogs as you would. Everybody looks down on somebody about something and it all amounts to a hill of beans. You love your dogs dearly, just like I love mine. My best current working dog is not a showdog and never will be even though he was given to me as such. Some AmStaff people make fun of him for his appearance and you know what? I am objective enough to know his shortcomings and love him dearly anyway and wouldn't replace him for the world. So why do I care what they think?
 
This has been so very interesting to me -- I have, for 27 years, had a breed that has recently come from obscurity to being 'the flavor of the month. Along with the seasoned breeders we now have the 'anything for a buck' crowd --

My husband and do LOTS of 'rescue,' are very active in our breed club and have been showing for quite a while -- but we have only had 3 litters in the 27 years we've had this breed for a total of 7 puppies -- we only 'bred' when we wanted puppies for ourselves -- we kept all of the ones we bred except for one who went to my sister who lives next door -- :)

If ANYBODY at any time can explain to me how they 'guarantee' the health of puppies they have bred for the lifetime of the dog, I'd love to hear it ---

I'm also curious about people who 'take deposits' for puppies who are expected from litters that have not yet been bred?!
 
hollyclyff: I laid track for the tracking test the last time the Dachshund national specialty was down here. I never appreciated dachshunds too much until I was around so many of them for a weekend. Dang! They are tough dogs! I mean this in a good way.
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verity: I don't know anybody that will guaratee health for life. But I know many people who will take back a puppy. For example, I have a friend who is a Cavalier breeder. She told me Cavaliers suffer from 3 main health problems - a certain eye problem (I don't remember the name), a heart valve problem and luxating patellas. If any of the puppies are diagnosed with any one of these three problems during the first year and the owner no longer wants the puppy because of this, she will take the puppy back and refund the purchase price.
 
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