How to tell the diff between EE and Ameraucana?

[farmgirlie1031]

This is one of my EE's. My other EEs are blue (like andalusians), buff, and white and have muffs and tails.

This one has tufts which have been pulled out by the rooster mating her and no tail.

 

[monarc23]

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awesome pic!

 

[farmgirlie1031]

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awesome pic!

Thanks. She hatched out of a blue egg but she lays a green egg. She is my fave hen, so much personality.

 

[soonerdog]

I don't personally know if Lavender Amerucana birds have been shown. Most likely they have been shown somewhere. Yes, there is a certain "Show Title" used for a non confirmed color variety being shown. I cannot think of the term. Balckgold is another color variety that is up for recognition. It has been shown in both LF and bantam. I think I read somewhere once that several of the ameraucana breeders would have to breed a "new color variety" for at least five years before it can even be considered for adoption (recognition) within the breed.

 

[minna]

I have been doing a lot of research on these breeds. It is out there, you just have to be able to sift through the people who know what they are talking about. This is my basic conclusion, please correct me if I have misinformation.

Any chicken that lays a colored egg (and is not tufted and rumpless) is an EE unless.....

It is one of the recognized colors, Black, Blue, Blue Wheaten, Brown Red, Buff, Silver, Wheaten and White.

They MUST have “pea combs”, and be bearded and muffed and tailed, and CANNOT have any tufts

They also MUST have slate blue legs, and red ear lobes (females pale).

They have to meet all the qualification listed on the standards page of ABC. I don't really understand why everyone gets so touchy about the subject, at least people are trying to learn. I don't really understand it either. Just like I don't understand how technically a non-tufted Araucana is not technically an Araucana, but if it came from two Araucana's ppl still call them Araucana's. It's all confusing to me, but basically, it must meet the standards to be called an Ameraucana . Although I would think it should be the same as if you had any other breed bird that did not meet standards, we still call them the breed they came from, just not show quality.

 

[minna]

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I LOVE that pic!

 

[byrandom]

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okay let me think of a way to explain this for you

Okay say theres only one showable color of potbellied piggies (had to use it looking at your piggie is just too darn cute not to

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say that ONLY showable color is black.....and you breed that black pig to a white pig...and you get black piglets, white piglets, and black and white piglets...the piglets are still from potbellied pig parents but ONLY the black are acknowledged as pures to the show standard.

Just like how my cocker spaniel Merelin isnt an accepted color.....HOWEVER atelast in the dog world AKC still accepts merle to be registered but they ask that you title their color by the color they MOST look like...my male most looks like BUFF (which is a showable color) but he's a merle which ISNT showable in cocker spaniels ....did this help any?

and a funny way to explain it....say you know a couple who both have black hair, yet they have two kids one with black hair the other with BLOND hair and blue eyes!!!!! They do a praternity test and YEP its their kid for sure.....but the recessive gene of blonde ahir and blue eyes was in both parents to express it. The kid is still theirs, just a different color.

The only thing that is kinda annoying is even if an bird is born from two amers...if it's the wrong color it's an EE

! LOL!

yeah, the piggies helped!...except what you said....IF BOTH parents are Am. and they throw an off color...why isnt the offspring STILL an AM.? if my pigs threw off differant colors..they would STILL be pot bellies.(just cant show them)...UNLESS i bred them with another breed of pigs..(hence the STILL being a MUTT)...THIS is why i am confused!...

I think a better explanation would be if you had...

Black Potbellied Pigs (in the "show" world, we'll call them Ink Blots (this would be in the place of Ameraucana)) and you bred them to White Potbellied Pigs (in the "show" world, we'll call them Snowflakes -- but they aren't showable, and are otherwise detestable (this would be in the place of Easter Eggers)).

Breed Ink Blots with Snowflakes, and you have several Ink Blots and several Snowflakes. Only the Ink Blots would be showable, because they are what is considered a "recognized" color. The Snowflakes are not. Even though, in this scenario, both the Ink Blots (i.e. Ameraucana) and the Snowflakes (i.e. Easter Egger) are both Potbellied Pigs....

*Now this isn't saying that if you breed Ameraucanas and Easter Eggers together, you would get Ameraucanas. This was for illustration purposes only!

Ameraucanas can only be - black, blue, buff, white, silver, brown-red, wheaten, or blue wheaten. Period. They also have to breed true, otherwise they are not considered Ameraucana.

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*I added the bolding as emphasis

Nonconfirmed color variety I can understand, sometimes genetics pull a fast one on you and throw you a differing color than you had intended. For the same token, I can understand that some aspects of confirmation can be lost due to your typical breeding. As in dogs or rabbits, even though they are from "show" lines, not every animal produced from these lines are showable. That is the same thing with the Ameraucana. This breed has a show standard for the breed. If the animal in question does not meet every standard, it is not an Ameraucana. The only thing that it could be is an Easter Egger.

However I believe that if you have an Ameraucana x Ameraucana breeding, resulting in an unrecognized color variation (known as an Easter Egger), you should state in your ad or what-have-you. "From Ameraucana x Ameraucana."

What we all need to realize is that there are Standards of Perfection for every showable breed of chicken. The only difference with the Ameraucana is that there are Standards of Perfection that MUST be met for the individual bird to be included into the Ameraucana breed.

Every Ameraucana is an Easter egger, however not every Easter Egger is an Ameraucana.

Unless, of course, I do not understand completely...

 

[redhen]

ooh..so an EE is really an Ameracauna, but just not in the accepted show colors?? that makes more sense now! so, why were they calling the EE's mutts then? if they are REALLY Ameraucanas? *just not showable Amers.*...

 

[minna]

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No, LOL! Are you even more confused? An EE is a mutt. But if you read the history of these breeds you will understand better. Really, everyone should read the history. It starts with two Chiliean breeds, then turns into Araucana's, then EE's (mutts) and then they got Ameraucana's. Ameraucana's are a really new breed, and the kinks are still being worked out, that's the best way I know to explain it.

ETA: IMO, that would be true, except for the fact the EE's have been mixed with so much other junk that all EE's did not come from true Ameraucana. But a mutt Ameraucana just gets lopped into the EE category. I'm gonna bow out of this thread b/c I think I am confusing people even more.

 

[byrandom]

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But you need to be aware the specifications of the Ameraucana breed. If your blue egg laying chicken doesn't meet these specifications, then it is an Easter Egger.

The term Easter Egger is a glitzy term for Mutt chicken..

Also, ETA: there is no such chicken known as an "un-showable" Ameraucana. Like I stated, the Ameraucana Standards of Perfection are in place to define the breed. Unlike the Silkie Standard of Perfection, which just states what Type the bird has to be in order to be considered "showable"