Thanks all for replying so quickly. I really appreciate it! I have been free ranging my little herd and now my neighbor has complained to me today that the girls have mostly destroyed his pumpkin patch. So I have to go and figure out new arrangements for them. I have 2 acres and you'd think they could stay at home, but pumpkins do sound awfully good. Be back on later. Thanks all for such a nice beginning to a hopefully long and helpful community!!