Hydrogen Peroxide in Water

[GiddyMoon]

You know, water is toxic if you drink two gallons at once.

People need to get off this "everything is toxic" kick. Different things have different uses in different amounts. When someone misuses something, it doesn't mean it is bad when used the right way. Laws are being passed everywhere and our freedoms are being stripped becuase a few people misuse something than insist it is harmful for everyone..and that is a lie based on nothing but feelings..


Heck, my MIL's father drank gasoline for ulcers and he lived until 92. These past two generations are so full of themselves. I know we have been telling our kids that their opinions matter, and whatever their opinion is, it makes it true....but it is really starting to backfire,..everything thinks their opinion has merit..even when there are not facts..just feelings...this gives people A LOT of wrong information. When people are asking questions, trying to get technical answers from people who know...someone who comes in to give their opinion with no true facts or knowledge on the subject is only causing confusion and keeps the fear going. The other day I actually read a long post saying alfalfa, and all kinds of things NOT toxic to chickens, were toxic.

Please people..we need to stop thinking that because we think so..it is true.

THANK YOU to the people who posted who actually have knowledge in this area..I REALLY appreciate the facts!

 

[EricH]

Thats obviously not enough for HARM them, but i dont know what the peroxide would do to HELP them over regular fresh tap water... but you never know. people used to brush their teeth with baking soda and peroxide (grandpa still does it) so obviously it wont kill you... he's doin pretty darn good for his age.

And i agree with GiddyMoon whole heartedly. people tend to go with the flow, sometimes not always thinking about the actual question thoroughly. like half the things on the "toxic" list - if these foods were the SOLE ration given to a bird they would probably die, but you would die from living on potato peels after a while too. just use common sense, i say try the peroxide. I doubt you'd notice a difference though. Most animals arent too smart about their water anyways, mine typically go for the putrid puddle of water sitting next to their clean water bowl.

 

[Mac in Wisco]

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Confinement doesn't have much to do with it as we also let our hens run on pasture, but the watering equipment is nothing more than plumbing. Long plastic pipes with lots of nipples. You cannot just "clean" it like you can a bucket, the best we can do is to run sanitizers through the line. We do the same with our house plumbing when we shock the well. Since we are on a private well, we don't have anybody looking after our water supply except me.

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Most of the time it doesn't affect them, but that doesn't mean it's safe or that they somehow know good water from bad. You're better off eliminating the puddles. Those puddles are laced with cocci and other nasties. We had a large dip in production over a week's period last year that I suspect was caused by our hens drinking from a large, algae-laced puddle out on the pasture.

 

[Cindy in PA]

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What two generations are those, oh wise one? Seems like much of the above is opinion also, however since it's yours I guess it's OK! If you ask a question, you are going to get many answers and some you may even disagree with, imagine that!

 

[Pele]

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Oh my goodness, you're the only other person I've ever heard that thinks this way (I do as well). It's so hilarious that people are screaming bloody murder about random things being toxic these days. They'll point out lab studies, like the one for the sugar substitutes, saying they cause cancer. Yeah, if you eat nothing but that stuff for breakfast, second breakfast, lunch, second lunch, and 3 dinners, like those poor test rats did, then yes you get cancer. But you'd die if you ate that much of ANYTHING. Even water, like you pointed out. Maybe it would take organic asperigus a few days longer, but you're still dead by asperigus

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We have the privilage of having the longest lifespans of any humans that came before us, yet we fear the very things that give us these long lifespans. And yes, there are more cancer rates nowadays, but there are MORE people, with better diagnosis equipment to catch things. You don't die of 'evil spirits' anymore, you die of a brain tumor.

I'd rather have my margaritas on a beach somewhere without a care in the world than hiding behind a tree staring at the drink and thinking it's hunting me for a kill.

 

[Cindy in PA]

There again genralizations. Recent studies have already seen our longevity on a downward trend. Many of the things we use and eat have only been aroundin present form for less than 150 years, so a very short time in the scheme of things. Much of our longevity has come from antibiotics that have cured diseases that killed people at a young age 100 years ago. Unfortunately we have over used them & now are creating monster bugs that take more drugs to kill. Everything in moderation, but I want know what's in the stuff. Don't just tell me it's safe.

 

[finallyME]

This seems to be a fairly controversial topic. Anyways, for what it is worth, hydrogen peroxide degrades very quickly. It basically turns into pure water and oxygen gas. It does this naturally. Of course, you can speed it up with a catalyst, like silver. Think about this, if you took a glass of 100% hydrogen peroxide, and then stirred it with a silver spoon, you would see a lot of bubbles. If you kept stirring until no more bubbles appeared, then you could drink it with no ill effect because it wouldn't be hydrogen peroxide, it would be water. The bubbles are the oxygen separating off. Have you ever wondered why the hydrogen peroxide sold at the store comes in a brown or black container? If it was clear or white, then by the time you took it home, it would all be water. I have no idea on if it is a good idea to put it in the water for animals. But, if you are, and you have 35% food grade, make sure to store it in the refrigerator with no light. Also, if you pour it in a big tank, it probably isn't hydrogen peroxide by the time it reaches the animals.

 

[Colonel]

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I always add the H2O2 when the tank is being filled (I completely empty it each time before refilling) so that it is thoroughly mixed. I have no evidence to back this up, but I suspect that if I were to just add the one and a half teaspoons into the filled tank of water (35 gallons), much of the water in the tank would not be treated simply because the H2O2 would have already oxidized into water before coming in contact with the tank water. I think that quickly mixing it up is important.

Right now, my tank and water lines are quite clean. If they start getting nasty, I will switch over to 1-gallon fountains, empty the tank, add some concentrated H2O2 in the tank, run it through the system, then let it sit there for a while. I'll then flush the system and connect the drinking cups back up. I am hoping that by using the H2O2 regularly, I won't ever have to do that.

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By the way, it's hatching day today. 14 new Rhode Island Reds so far (13 surviving as of this evening).

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

I prefer to use organic acids for sanitizing water, plus you get a acidification benefits in the animals gut.

 

[kstaven]

There are a number of dairies around that use ACV and H2O2 in the place of acid and soap for cleaning milk pipeline systems and bulk tanks. Why? Because it reduces the phosphate outputs of the operation, does the same job as the former and has also shown itself to be more cost effective in this country. Win, win situation. Don't see any reason it wouldn't be effective in water systems.

There is likely some truth to much of the rest considering if you can keep the acid - alkaline balance in the correct range feed conversion is better and animals would be healthier.

But as others have mentioned it is dangerous in concentrated form.