I <3 America!!!

[redhen]

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that is until someone insults you. I bet if someone called your religion ugly things you would get all upset and someone could claim you're being PC.

If someone insults me..sure i may get upset. Its happend many times...its life.
And i'd handle it as i see fit at the time.. thats all.

We all dont have to agree about everything... the worlds a biiig place...

 

[Royd]

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I'm still wondering what your definition of PC is? It is something that varies from person to person so I like to know where someone is coming from. Not wanting to argue or anything, I just find peoples different views fascinating and love learning about people.
I see PC used a lot and it almost always means something different for each person who uses it.

PC (Political Correctness) is bending the truth or softening it ridiculously, or outright lying, in order not to offend someone, even if what was said is not offensive in and of itself - for instance, a lot of people take offense if you shorten the term for an ethnicity to something more manageable, even though there's nothing insulting about it. Often, PC includes political views that people find "extreme" - that is, anything that takes a strong and consistent moral stance on any issue at all.

The problem being that anything resembling consistency and honesty is going to offend someone. Probably, I've offended a lot of people who now think I'm anti-American, for whatever reason. Thankfully, so far they've kept their mouths shut.

Several people on here are convinced I'm racist - and said so. Of course, I find ad hominems offensive, the difference between I and them being that I tend to beat people over the head with reality (which tends not to be very PC most of the time

) rather than returning the ad hominem when I'm offended. Which probably offends them.

I want to apologize for two things:
#1: Going off-topic (as usual).

#2: Writing a post that will probably just make you dumber than when you started.

It's not off topic....PC has become a big part of what is currently shaping group think, in America.....Just last week, I ran into a classic case....I was at King's Bay Naval Base, with a friend.We were installing some metal doorjambs into new construction.There was a sheetrock finisher, on a ladder, in the same room.I paid him no mind. In tons of saftey gear, everyone looks the same, from a distance.

Since I was about 14yr. old, I have spoken a smattering of Spanish. Living in Colorado, it has simply become part of my lexicon...I don't have to think about it...It just comes out.

Anyway, my friend and I were struggling to install this jamb, because the wall thickness was about 1/8" wider than the throat of the jamb...I'm kneeling on the floor, trying to get the bottom in, while my friend is on a ladder, struggling with the head...In the course of conversation, I said, "Que pasa? Que pasa, amigo?

I hear someone say to me, "That's not funny."
I look up, at the sheetrock finisher, who is on the ladder, in bewilderment, and said,"It wasn't meant to be funny."

I can only surmise that he assumed that I recognized him, as a Mexican, and was making fun of him.

What I wanted to say was, "I hope you carry a first aid kit, everywhere you go, because, with that thin skin, you are likely to bleed to death."


Of course, my friend and I, spent the rest of the day having a hoot over things, which weren't funny, in our best Speedy Gonzales voices.

 

[redhen]

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that is until someone insults you. I bet if someone called your religion ugly things you would get all upset and someone could claim you're being PC.
Also, some people like to hide behind the disparaging " being too pc" remark as an excuse for being nasty. Same thing for saying " I call it like I see it". When some people say that, it is just an excuse for being brash and rude and they're trying to justify it.

I'm no more brash or rude than you ever are.... you call it like you see it also. So dont be a hypocrite.

 

[dacjohns]

Just found this thread so I have to still read past the first page.

One thing that does strike me is that the OP fails to capitalize the word America yet capitalizes the names of other nations. I wonder why.

Another thing that comes to mind is our (citizens of the United States of America) egocentricity (I hope I used that word correctly). America is also North, Central, and South America. It isn't just us (citizens of the United States of America).

Now on to the rest of thread.

 

[redhen]

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PC (Political Correctness) is bending the truth or softening it ridiculously, or outright lying, in order not to offend someone, even if what was said is not offensive in and of itself - for instance, a lot of people take offense if you shorten the term for an ethnicity to something more manageable, even though there's nothing insulting about it. Often, PC includes political views that people find "extreme" - that is, anything that takes a strong and consistent moral stance on any issue at all.

The problem being that anything resembling consistency and honesty is going to offend someone. Probably, I've offended a lot of people who now think I'm anti-American, for whatever reason. Thankfully, so far they've kept their mouths shut.

Several people on here are convinced I'm racist - and said so. Of course, I find ad hominems offensive, the difference between I and them being that I tend to beat people over the head with reality (which tends not to be very PC most of the time

) rather than returning the ad hominem when I'm offended. Which probably offends them.

I want to apologize for two things:
#1: Going off-topic (as usual).

#2: Writing a post that will probably just make you dumber than when you started.

It's not off topic....PC has become a big part of what is currently shaping group think, in America.....Just last week, I ran into a classic case....I was at King's Bay Naval Base, with a friend.We were installing some metal doorjambs into new construction.There was a sheetrock finisher, on a ladder, in the same room.I paid him no mind. In tons of saftey gear, everyone looks the same, from a distance.

Since I was about 14yr. old, I have spoken a smattering of Spanish. Living in Colorado, it has simply become part of my lexicon...I don't have to think about it...It just comes out.

Anyway, my friend and I were struggling to install this jamb, because the wall thickness was about 1/8" wider than the throat of the jamb...I'm kneeling on the floor, trying to get the bottom in, while my friend is on a ladder, struggling with the head...In the course of conversation, I said, "Que pasa? Que pasa, amigo?

I hear someone say to me, "That's not funny."
I look up, at the sheetrock finisher, who is on the ladder, in bewilderment, and said,"It wasn't meant to be funny."

I can only surmise that he assumed that I recognized him, as a Mexican, and was making fun of him.

What I wanted to say was, "I hope you carry a first aid kit, everywhere you go, because, with that thin skin, you are likely to bleed to death."

Yep...

 

[dacjohns]

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I am American. To me, however, America is not a nation - after all, any nation or other political entity can go bad. America is an idea. American, to my mind, means being willing to defend the rights of man generally, and the ideals of liberty and self-government. Is this not what our forefathers gave their lives for? A land where people's rights are respected and protected, rather than infringed upon, by the government? Certainly, they had their flaws - all humans do - but the core ideals that they fought and died for still present a beacon of hope. They gave their lives - to what end? Is today's United States what they - by they I mean the soldiers who fought for our independence and liberty - would want to see? Does it really still present a beacon of true liberty? I'll let others answer that question.

That is debatable but based on my world travels I think the USA is still the best.

 

[KristyHall]

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I am American. To me, however, America is not a nation - after all, any nation or other political entity can go bad. America is an idea. American, to my mind, means being willing to defend the rights of man generally, and the ideals of liberty and self-government. Is this not what our forefathers gave their lives for? A land where people's rights are respected and protected, rather than infringed upon, by the government? Certainly, they had their flaws - all humans do - but the core ideals that they fought and died for still present a beacon of hope. They gave their lives - to what end? Is today's United States what they - by they I mean the soldiers who fought for our independence and liberty - would want to see? Does it really still present a beacon of true liberty? I'll let others answer that question.

That is debatable but based on my world travels I think the USA is still the best.

Cool, where all have you been? I've only been to the Cayman Islands, Jamaica, and Mexico, and of course, all over the south and east of the US

 

[dacjohns]

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[KristyHall]

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that is until someone insults you. I bet if someone called your religion ugly things you would get all upset and someone could claim you're being PC.
Also, some people like to hide behind the disparaging " being too pc" remark as an excuse for being nasty. Same thing for saying " I call it like I see it". When some people say that, it is just an excuse for being brash and rude and they're trying to justify it.

I'm no more brash or rude than you ever are.... you call it like you see it also. So dont be a hypocrite.

Thus the usage of the word " Some"
It was related to what you said.
I didn't say you did it. I just used your statement as a jumping off point for grounds to elaborate on my earlier statement

 

[dacjohns]

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Because the american indians don't represent the whole population. If you are going to have a study about Americans as a whole you need to pick children at random in america. How are we to know that there wasn't a genetic disease, or a cultural food that the american indians ate that made them obeise? You cannot call something a "scientific study" if you dont meet certain criteria. You must eliminate certain variables. And I did not say you were not human.

To put it simply. Its kinda like me saying Im doing a study about how many tacos americans eat. Then I take 1500 American Mexican children and count how many tacos they eat over 30 years. Then when the study is done I say well, Americans eat ___ many tacos! they need to stop eating so many tacos! Michelle Obama sais, dont eat tacos! Blah blah blah...Yea it might technically be American children but they are a certain group of american children who may have a underlying factor.

Anyways, Ive made my point and am done with this. Not wasting anymore time on that.

If that study is to be valid it must include the beauty contestant that was told to cut back on the tacos.