ill also add my 2 cents here. i lost more eggs to a darn lg i had them to where i thought they were pretty good and they did ok but i was only gett ing decent hatches at best. now i have a hova 1588. and yes now i am spoiled, i love the thing there is alot of gossip on here about how great the 1588's are. and its allll true i am actually getting 100 percent hatches consistantly even on shipped eggs im getting anywhere from 75 to 100 percent. bottom line l.g. is junk and the hova 1588 is great.