I have lots of questions about mites

So many good questions, and good job sneaking pics! I'll answer based on my experience, always with the disclaimer that I'm not an expert – I'm an obsessive chicken tender but only have 1.5 years of experience under my belt – and what works for us may be different for your flock 🐔🙂

- Are the white things on the rooster what you're looking at? Those look different than mites. I'd lean towards lice. Not sure if this is a good article or not, but there are photos that might be helpful. https://citygirlfarming.com/2012/08/22/chicken-lice-arent-nice/

Either way, I do think the treatments are the same with different dosages, meaning you'd be diluting the spray at a different rate. There are good articles on BYC about dosages as well as often some dosing info on the bottle.

- The bugs on your arm aren't mites. I'd say louse for the light one, but again, I don't have direct experience with lice, so take this with a grain of salt. The dark one looks like a biting gnat we get in Tennessee this time of year. Super itchy. I don't believe they're chicken related.

- To my knowledge, the bugs on the floor of your coop are simply creepy crawlies that eat coop junk. We've seen those but not had problems with them. They're kind of a cleaning crew. Northern fowl mites are usually even tinier and darker, and they're often found hiding in the dark under the roost, in the nesting box, or on your chickens.

- Good on you for braving Wild Thang! He may start to love you if you help him feel better ;-)

Dipping was a game-changer for our rooster. I don't think we'd have kicked mites as much without dipping him, but I only did it after exhausting other measures, for the same reasons you're reluctant, which are valid: you don't want him to end up traumatized and flinging pesticide everywhere. Oddly enough, our rooster, who was a freight train of aggression, was the calmest, sweetest bird when dipped. He went into a trance and let me rub the water down to his skin. Then he sunned himself and pranced around for the next few hours like he couldn't be more proud. Unexpected, but he must've felt elated to stop being bitten. He was so big, and no matter how many times I dusted and spritzed him, the mites would hide elsewhere on him, then rebound.

I was glad he was the only bird who needed dipping. I mean, one way chickens dry off is by preening. It's hard to imagine how much poison they ingest after being dusted or spritzed, not to mention after being completely soaked in pesticide, ugh.

- For birds who don't like to be handle, I'd sneak treatments when the birds are on the roost at night because they're easier to access. Some say the chickens will stay asleep while you're dusting/spritzing butts. Mine wake up, but it's still far less tricky than trying to catch the flighty ones during the day. (Of course, if you're dipping, that should be by day unless it's very hot at night. You don't want to chill a chicken.)

- In my experience, it can take a few days for some treatments to work, esp. when the infestation is bad. Many treatments do recommend a second round 10-14 days later to catch subsequent hatch outs.

- The poopy booty on your boy and feather loss on your hen may definitely indicate external parasites.

However, we have one hen who lost feathers on her butt, no mites or lice, and I've read where sometimes a hen just loses butt feathers and won't grow them back until molting because she's using resources to lay. You may want to give higher quality/higher protein feed, particularly during warmer months (when they're eating less) to be sure they're getting all they need. Not only to keep their feathers in good condition but because good nutrition might help their systems fend off parasites.

If you feel like geeking out on poultry nutrition, I just heard this podcast and thought it was great: https://www.breedersacademy.com/ep35-interview-with-jeff-mattocks-about-poultry-nutrition-part-1/

- Our flock has a big, fenced-in/electrified yard. Their dustbath area is a little hill they've terraced into numerous pits. It's just dirt. Nothing added. Interestingly, our rooster had his mite problems when I was separating him 1/3 of each day because of his aggression. Just that much less access to dustbathing seemed to make a big difference.

A lot of people have special recipes for dustbaths, but if you have good dirt on your ground that the other chickens like (maybe not potting soil in case that has fertilizer in it), I'd shovel that ground into a baby pool and give it to him! He'll be so happy to have dirt to fancy himself up in.

Some people add wood ash or DE. Again, I'd never add DE because of the respiratory concerns, and our dirt seems to work wonders on its own. But there are many opinions on dustbaths.

Hope this helps. Maybe someone with lice experience will weigh in, but if I were you, I'd do a bunch of searches on lice to see how people are detecting and dealing with those in case these are that instead of mites.
 
So many good questions, and good job sneaking pics! I'll answer based on my experience, always with the disclaimer that I'm not an expert – I'm an obsessive chicken tender but only have 1.5 years of experience under my belt – and what works for us may be different for your flock 🐔🙂

- Are the white things on the rooster what you're looking at? Those look different than mites. I'd lean towards lice. Not sure if this is a good article or not, but there are photos that might be helpful. https://citygirlfarming.com/2012/08/22/chicken-lice-arent-nice/

Either way, I do think the treatments are the same with different dosages, meaning you'd be diluting the spray at a different rate. There are good articles on BYC about dosages as well as often some dosing info on the bottle.

- The bugs on your arm aren't mites. I'd say louse for the light one, but again, I don't have direct experience with lice, so take this with a grain of salt. The dark one looks like a biting gnat we get in Tennessee this time of year. Super itchy. I don't believe they're chicken related.

- To my knowledge, the bugs on the floor of your coop are simply creepy crawlies that eat coop junk. We've seen those but not had problems with them. They're kind of a cleaning crew. Northern fowl mites are usually even tinier and darker, and they're often found hiding in the dark under the roost, in the nesting box, or on your chickens.

- Good on you for braving Wild Thang! He may start to love you if you help him feel better ;-)

Dipping was a game-changer for our rooster. I don't think we'd have kicked mites as much without dipping him, but I only did it after exhausting other measures, for the same reasons you're reluctant, which are valid: you don't want him to end up traumatized and flinging pesticide everywhere. Oddly enough, our rooster, who was a freight train of aggression, was the calmest, sweetest bird when dipped. He went into a trance and let me rub the water down to his skin. Then he sunned himself and pranced around for the next few hours like he couldn't be more proud. Unexpected, but he must've felt elated to stop being bitten. He was so big, and no matter how many times I dusted and spritzed him, the mites would hide elsewhere on him, then rebound.

I was glad he was the only bird who needed dipping. I mean, one way chickens dry off is by preening. It's hard to imagine how much poison they ingest after being dusted or spritzed, not to mention after being completely soaked in pesticide, ugh.

- For birds who don't like to be handle, I'd sneak treatments when the birds are on the roost at night because they're easier to access. Some say the chickens will stay asleep while you're dusting/spritzing butts. Mine wake up, but it's still far less tricky than trying to catch the flighty ones during the day. (Of course, if you're dipping, that should be by day unless it's very hot at night. You don't want to chill a chicken.)

- In my experience, it can take a few days for some treatments to work, esp. when the infestation is bad. Many treatments do recommend a second round 10-14 days later to catch subsequent hatch outs.

- The poopy booty on your boy and feather loss on your hen may definitely indicate external parasites.

However, we have one hen who lost feathers on her butt, no mites or lice, and I've read where sometimes a hen just loses butt feathers and won't grow them back until molting because she's using resources to lay. You may want to give higher quality/higher protein feed, particularly during warmer months (when they're eating less) to be sure they're getting all they need. Not only to keep their feathers in good condition but because good nutrition might help their systems fend off parasites.

If you feel like geeking out on poultry nutrition, I just heard this podcast and thought it was great: https://www.breedersacademy.com/ep35-interview-with-jeff-mattocks-about-poultry-nutrition-part-1/

- Our flock has a big, fenced-in/electrified yard. Their dustbath area is a little hill they've terraced into numerous pits. It's just dirt. Nothing added. Interestingly, our rooster had his mite problems when I was separating him 1/3 of each day because of his aggression. Just that much less access to dustbathing seemed to make a big difference.

A lot of people have special recipes for dustbaths, but if you have good dirt on your ground that the other chickens like (maybe not potting soil in case that has fertilizer in it), I'd shovel that ground into a baby pool and give it to him! He'll be so happy to have dirt to fancy himself up in.

Some people add wood ash or DE. Again, I'd never add DE because of the respiratory concerns, and our dirt seems to work wonders on its own. But there are many opinions on dustbaths.

Hope this helps. Maybe someone with lice experience will weigh in, but if I were you, I'd do a bunch of searches on lice to see how people are detecting and dealing with those in case these are that instead of mites.
Thank you! :) I've had chickens since the summer of 2019, but this is the first time I've had to deal with parasites on the chickens.

Yes, it's the white things. I missed them on my lighter-colored chickens but I saw them on Wild Thang and Bae, my two dark roosters, because the light color showed up better. It does look a lot like that, but they are smaller than the photo in the article. I'd compare the size with a grain mite. I actually thought at first that's what it was because I just had some hatch out of some cat food and they migrated to the chicken feed. But upon closer inspection, they were only on the outside of the bag (I just caught it before they got in the feed, apparently). But I didn't think grain mites would stay on the birds like this. They want the feed, not the chickens.

I mixed permethrin according to this chart by @casportpony: https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...ated-with-product-pdfs.1448295/#post-24089092 One gallon, 1:199, but we did the math from there and mixed 1/4 of a gallon because we don't have that many chickens to mix a full gallon. That's what it said on the bottle to mix for mites on chickens, not lice... the bottle doesn't mention lice...

Oohh okay. We already had buffalo gnats for the first time, and they are awful. Now smaller biting gnats. I always thought gnats were annoying, this year had changed my mind.

That's a relief; I was hoping those red ones were only after the poo. I hadn't cleaned the house in a few months so they were all over the floor and roosting area. 😅

I hope so too, I love the boy. When we first got him, he wouldn't even stay out in the run while I was out there. We've had him for a year, and now he will eat out of my hand and approach to see if I have anything. 🥰

I'm glad dipping him helped. I hope if we have to dip Wild Thang, he will react the same way. I don't want to undo a year's worth of work trying to get the boy to understand that I'm not a threat and that I actually love him and bring him treats.

If I go into the house at night - I've done that before for various reasons - my chickens will come off the roost in the darkness, trying to approach me to see if I have treats. They are so spoiled. 🤣 They won't stay asleep at all. I agree, that would be a great time to treat them.

Eww, yes, that was a concern my mom and I had, that they would get sick preening the poison off.

Yeah we plan to do another treatment in a week. Poor Wild Thang, I hope he forgives me. 🤪

I hope after the parasites are gone, he can clean those feathers on his butt by himself? Cleaning him would be a nightmare.

Our laying pellets are 16% protein and the mealworms can get pricey... I was researching this recently, a way to add more protein for them. Looks like people have differing opinions on seafood flavored cat food, but a lot of people are okay with canned fish. The lady at our feed store told me I shouldn't swap from 16% protein to the 22% protein food because I was going to do that. What do you think is the best way to increase protein?

I love geeking out over poultry nutrition, thank you! I'll give it a listen!

We bought a baby pool, we will do this, thanks!

We have a wood stove so wood ash is something we have. I'll add that but yeah I'm also hesitant to use the DE. The people at the feed store told me DE will get rid of the mites if I dust the chickens, that's why I was leaning toward using some a few days ago. But the respiratory illness risk doesn't sound like it would be worth it.

I will research lice now, thanks. 😁

And if anyone out there has the permethrin mixing ratio for lice instead of mites, that would be lovely!

Edited to add: Uh... do I need to treat all my chicks too? They are in a cage near the adults who have the lice / mites...
 
I mixed permethrin according to this chart by @casportpony: https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...ated-with-product-pdfs.1448295/#post-24089092 One gallon, 1:199, but we did the math from there and mixed 1/4 of a gallon because we don't have that many chickens to mix a full gallon. That's what it said on the bottle to mix for mites on chickens, not lice... the bottle doesn't mention lice...
@casportpony gives great advice! Have you noticed fewer bugs after the treatment?
Oohh okay. We already had buffalo gnats for the first time, and they are awful. Now smaller biting gnats. I always thought gnats were annoying, this year had changed my mind.

That's a relief; I was hoping those red ones were only after the poo. I hadn't cleaned the house in a few months so they were all over the floor and roosting area. 😅
If the coop bugs are on the roost, that's unsettling because that's mite behavior. The ones I saw like that were only on the floor. Of course, if they're mites, hopefully Permethrin will do its job on those as well as the white things.
I hope so too, I love the boy. When we first got him, he wouldn't even stay out in the run while I was out there. We've had him for a year, and now he will eat out of my hand and approach to see if I have anything. 🥰

I'm glad dipping him helped. I hope if we have to dip Wild Thang, he will react the same way. I don't want to undo a year's worth of work trying to get the boy to understand that I'm not a threat and that I actually love him and bring him treats.
Roosters are complicated, for sure.
If I go into the house at night - I've done that before for various reasons - my chickens will come off the roost in the darkness, trying to approach me to see if I have treats. They are so spoiled. 🤣 They won't stay asleep at all. I agree, that would be a great time to treat them.

Eww, yes, that was a concern my mom and I had, that they would get sick preening the poison off.

Yeah we plan to do another treatment in a week. Poor Wild Thang, I hope he forgives me. 🤪

I hope after the parasites are gone, he can clean those feathers on his butt by himself? Cleaning him would be a nightmare.
Sometimes I snip a few feathers to clean the butt up, and I know some people have success with like soaking it off, but poopy butts can also resolve on their own, especially with access to a good dustbath. It comes down to how bad the poop is vs. how much your intervention will aggravate the chicken (and/or how safe you feel holding scissors while trying to hold that chicken).
Our laying pellets are 16% protein and the mealworms can get pricey... I was researching this recently, a way to add more protein for them. Looks like people have differing opinions on seafood flavored cat food, but a lot of people are okay with canned fish. The lady at our feed store told me I shouldn't swap from 16% protein to the 22% protein food because I was going to do that. What do you think is the best way to increase protein?
I personally wouldn't be scared to buy a bag of 22% feed (as long as you like the brand/ingredients) and mix it with the 16%, but I like to mix feeds.

Random, but I heard cat food isn't a great protein source for chickens because of bioavailability: it has the amino acids cats need but not the ones chickens need in to process it. Unfortunately, I can't point to that source exactly; I think it was a webinar from the NC State Poultry Extension this winter.

Either way, if you were going to raise their protein, it's probably a safer bet to do it with a feed formulated for poultry.
I love geeking out over poultry nutrition, thank you! I'll give it a listen!
I never take any one source as gospel, but he lays out so much interesting info that bridges the gap between what you hear from many breeders (feed 20% protein!) vs. what you hear from Purina or the commercial industry (feed 16% to layers and...nothing to roosters, ha. Poor roosters get the short end of the stick).
We bought a baby pool, we will do this, thanks!

We have a wood stove so wood ash is something we have. I'll add that but yeah I'm also hesitant to use the DE. The people at the feed store told me DE will get rid of the mites if I dust the chickens, that's why I was leaning toward using some a few days ago. But the respiratory illness risk doesn't sound like it would be worth it.
To my understanding, DE doesn't pack enough fire power to get rid of an infestation of parasites. It's more of a slow-moving tool to prevent future issues. Either way, I'm personally not sold on DE since it's not as safe or environmentally sound as it has been made out to be 🤷‍♀️ but some people seem to dig it.
I will research lice now, thanks. 😁

And if anyone out there has the permethrin mixing ratio for lice instead of mites, that would be lovely!
Any luck?
Edited to add: Uh... do I need to treat all my chicks too? They are in a cage near the adults who have the lice / mites...
Wow, that's a good question. How old are the chicks and are you seeing lice on them, too?
 
Your chickens shouldn't wake up when you go in the coop at night if you keep it nice and dark in there. See if you can find a flashlight with a red light option. That shouldn't disturb them much. If you must use a regular flashlight, use a small one and keep it aimed at the floor as much as possible so they can't see to move around much. Good luck!
 
Your chickens shouldn't wake up when you go in the coop at night if you keep it nice and dark in there. See if you can find a flashlight with a red light option. That shouldn't disturb them much. If you must use a regular flashlight, use a small one and keep it aimed at the floor as much as possible so they can't see to move around much. Good luck!
Red light is a good idea. Our first flock has always woken up when I go in after dark, and may like to ramble down the roost ladder for a drink of water and to say hello. I suspect it's a bad habit I taught them in the brooder. They were brooded in my study, and I used to go sit with them in the evenings (nothing else to do; COVID). They'd hop out of the brooder and come roost on me for 30 minutes before heading back to the heating plate. The upside is they're a very tame group and easy to treat.

I didn't do that with the next chicks. If you go into their coop after dark, they just give you side-eye and go back to sleep.
 
@casportpony gives great advice! Have you noticed fewer bugs after the treatment?
Fewer on all birds except for Wild Thang. He still has hundreds. We're going to treat him again today. Not sure why it seemed to work on everyone but him.

If the coop bugs are on the roost, that's unsettling because that's mite behavior. The ones I saw like that were only on the floor. Of course, if they're mites, hopefully Permethrin will do its job on those as well as the white things.
They weren't ON the roost, they were under the poo on the roost. (I have a 2x4 on top of a shelf for them to roost on, and they were on the shelf part where they poo when they sleep.) It was about five inches deep. I hadn't cleaned up there in a while.

Roosters are complicated, for sure.
They are but I love them. :) My other three roosters let me do whatever I wanted. No panicking, just calmly let us apply the permethrin and then wanted some petting afterward.

Sometimes I snip a few feathers to clean the butt up, and I know some people have success with like soaking it off, but poopy butts can also resolve on their own, especially with access to a good dustbath. It comes down to how bad the poop is vs. how much your intervention will aggravate the chicken (and/or how safe you feel holding scissors while trying to hold that chicken).
Ooohh I see. If it were any of my other roosters, I could probably do it but this boy might stab himself.

I personally wouldn't be scared to buy a bag of 22% feed (as long as you like the brand/ingredients) and mix it with the 16%, but I like to mix feeds.
Oh why didn't I think of mixing it? Next time I buy feed I'll get some.

Random, but I heard cat food isn't a great protein source for chickens because of bioavailability: it has the amino acids cats need but not the ones chickens need in to process it. Unfortunately, I can't point to that source exactly; I think it was a webinar from the NC State Poultry Extension this winter.

Either way, if you were going to raise their protein, it's probably a safer bet to do it with a feed formulated for poultry.
Oh, I see. I'll get the chicken feed then.

I never take any one source as gospel, but he lays out so much interesting info that bridges the gap between what you hear from many breeders (feed 20% protein!) vs. what you hear from Purina or the commercial industry (feed 16% to layers and...nothing to roosters, ha. Poor roosters get the short end of the stick).
Oh nothing to roosters? So wait... can I feed the roosters the chick crumbles then? I know they don't need the same calcium since they don't lay.

To my understanding, DE doesn't pack enough fire power to get rid of an infestation of parasites. It's more of a slow-moving tool to prevent future issues. Either way, I'm personally not sold on DE since it's not as safe or environmentally sound as it has been made out to be 🤷‍♀️ but some people seem to dig it.
Gotcha. :)
Any luck?
No, all I found is a mix for treating chickens, not or what parasite I'm treating on the bird.

Wow, that's a good question. How old are the chicks and are you seeing lice on them, too?
They are almost two months old, and I see nothing on them. But they were supposed to be introduced to the adults (wire between them) last week but I was scared the adults would share mites / lice with them so I held off. 😬 I'm afraid if I wait too much longer, it will be hard to introduce them. One hen is blind, and I wanted the chicks to get used to her now, because all my other chickens bull her so she has no friend. She does get to visit other chickens through chicken wire but that's it. Her last friend, Ellie, died when the buffalo gnats came through in April, and her friend before that (that she was raised with and was also blind) died last November from old age (I assume). I raised these chicks partially just to give her a flock to interact with.
 
Your chickens shouldn't wake up when you go in the coop at night if you keep it nice and dark in there. See if you can find a flashlight with a red light option. That shouldn't disturb them much. If you must use a regular flashlight, use a small one and keep it aimed at the floor as much as possible so they can't see to move around much. Good luck!
Oohhh I always wear a headlamp - that's the problem. I'll look for one with a red light, thanks! 🙂
 
Red light is a good idea. Our first flock has always woken up when I go in after dark, and may like to ramble down the roost ladder for a drink of water and to say hello. I suspect it's a bad habit I taught them in the brooder. They were brooded in my study, and I used to go sit with them in the evenings (nothing else to do; COVID). They'd hop out of the brooder and come roost on me for 30 minutes before heading back to the heating plate. The upside is they're a very tame group and easy to treat.

I didn't do that with the next chicks. If you go into their coop after dark, they just give you side-eye and go back to sleep.
Same. I went in to check something recently and suddenly everyone decided it was time to eat and drink. Midnight snack I guess. I had to wait for them to finish before they would go back to bed. 🤣
 
Fewer on all birds except for Wild Thang. He still has hundreds. We're going to treat him again today. Not sure why it seemed to work on everyone but him.
Hope the next treatment works!

The first treatment hardly did a thing for our rooster. Subsequent spritzes and dustings worked, but mites would inevitably pop up again in force 4-5 days later, and I'd treat him again. That's why I sucked it up and dipped. I know that's your last resort, but if these bugs keep driving you crazy, know that it's an option that may not be as bad as you think.

It would still be better if lice people would weigh in here. If I were you, I'd search this site (using that search button at the top right) for the term "lice" and tag active members who seem to know lice. That could get more eyes on your questions.
They weren't ON the roost, they were under the poo on the roost. (I have a 2x4 on top of a shelf for them to roost on, and they were on the shelf part where they poo when they sleep.) It was about five inches deep. I hadn't cleaned up there in a while.
Ah, gotcha. Then yeah, could be those bugs who clean up gross stuff. Did you treat the roosts and coop with Permethrin as well?

I will say that once mites hit, I started keeping an even cleaner coop to make it easier to de-bug the coop any time a mite popped up.
They are but I love them. :) My other three roosters let me do whatever I wanted. No panicking, just calmly let us apply the permethrin and then wanted some petting afterward.
That's a bunch of roosters! I love them, too. Wish they weren't so complicated. Do you have a bachelor situation for them or just a ton of hens, and they're all getting along?
Oh nothing to roosters? So wait... can I feed the roosters the chick crumbles then? I know they don't need the same calcium since they don't lay.
Haha, definitely feed your roosters! I meant many adult feeds are for layers and supposedly provide too much calcium to roosters long term. If you want to feed a non-layer, you have to look for the elusive "flock maintainer" or "all flock" type feed, or just feed a starter/grower with the nutrition profile you're looking for. And of course offer a good calcium source, like oyster shell, on the side for laying ladies.
They are almost two months old, and I see nothing on them. But they were supposed to be introduced to the adults (wire between them) last week but I was scared the adults would share mites / lice with them so I held off. 😬 I'm afraid if I wait too much longer, it will be hard to introduce them. One hen is blind, and I wanted the chicks to get used to her now, because all my other chickens bull her so she has no friend. She does get to visit other chickens through chicken wire but that's it. Her last friend, Ellie, died when the buffalo gnats came through in April, and her friend before that (that she was raised with and was also blind) died last November from old age (I assume). I raised these chicks partially just to give her a flock to interact with.
x2 on my earlier suggestion to search the site and tag others so your questions get more exposure.

In my experience, I wouldn't be worried about full integration until more like 3 months. At 2 months, I'm doing like you--letting them live in an adjacent space to get acquainted.

But if their house is very close to the others, they may already have the lice, so then it becomes a question of what's the safest pesticide for very young chicks. Keep researching!!
 

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