I may need to cull all the quail lab results #32

[farrier!]

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Yes exactly!
Where did your eggs come from?

OZZIE, I went to the Merck veterinary site last night and it is not Encephalomyelites unless there is now a mutated strain.

 

[Mrs MIA]

Before you rule out the heat, though... are the conditions in the house the same? Mine did fine until Summer hit, and we were leaving the doors open all the time and the heat wasn't on full time. I realized that even though the conditions looked the same, they weren't. I lost a lot of quail before I realized that. Have you put a thermometer in there with them to confirm?

Disease is also possible, and I wouldn't rule it out, either, but it's easier to check the little stuff first...

Hope you figure it out. It's heartbreaking to lose the little buggers.

 

[farrier!]

They are in a big enough area they can chose to be under the heat or not. Not much has changed between the 3 hatches over the last 4 weeks.
The fact that someone else is having the exact same problem with an almost 100% loss makes me worried more about contaminated feed or contaminated eggs.
I do not know if the two of us received our eggs from the same supplier or not. I have yet to hear if we are feeding the same feed but I have tried to email the feed company I used.

 

[Mrs MIA]

Well, I watched the video, and they look like normal newborns to me. However, the newspaper is too slippery, and even paper towels can be... try the rubber shelf lining for the first week, changing it out daily. They spend the first day or two just getting their balance, and this stuff helps even splayed legged babies. This may not be your problem, per se, but it's what I observed from the video.
You may have already done this, but in case someone new to quail is reading this post, I'm going to add this... Give them lukewarm water, and ground up gamebird starter (highest non-medicated protein feed you can find) as soon as you put them in the brooder. Quail are not like chickens, and are ready to eat and drink like the little piranhas they are as soon as they pop out of the egg.

Lukewarm water, because they are so tiny that if they drink ice cold water they will lower their body temperatures drastically. Keep them at 100°F for the first week, and drop 5°F each week thereafter, more or less depending on their behavior. Change the water daily and clean the waterer, or more often if it gets too dirty from their food/poo. Keep their brooder in a draft-free area... a stable environment will help.
I will be curious to see if the lab comes back with anything... I almost hope so because then you'll know it wasn't something you did or didn't do, and because if it isn't something else, I don't know what else to try.

Please do keep us posted, OK?

 

[farrier!]

Mrs. AK-Bird-Brain :

Well, I watched the video, and they look like normal newborns to me. However, the newspaper is too slippery, and even paper towels can be... try the rubber shelf lining for the first week, changing it out daily. They spend the first day or two just getting their balance, and this stuff helps even splayed legged babies. This may not be your problem, per se, but it's what I observed from the video.
You may have already done this, but in case someone new to quail is reading this post, I'm going to add this... Give them lukewarm water, and ground up gamebird starter (highest non-medicated protein feed you can find) as soon as you put them in the brooder. Quail are not like chickens, and are ready to eat and drink like the little piranhas they are as soon as they pop out of the egg.

Lukewarm water, because they are so tiny that if they drink ice cold water they will lower their body temperatures drastically. Keep them at 100°F for the first week, and drop 5°F each week thereafter, more or less depending on their behavior. Change the water daily and clean the waterer, or more often if it gets too dirty from their food/poo. Keep their brooder in a draft-free area... a stable environment will help.
I will be curious to see if the lab comes back with anything... I almost hope so because then you'll know it wasn't something you did or didn't do, and because if it isn't something else, I don't know what else to try.

Please do keep us posted, OK?

They just keep getting worse from what was shown in the video. They finally are unable to upright themselves.
I have paper towels and have hatched out 3 hatches with no problem. I always give lukewarm water and even tried vitamins/electrolytes to the water. They are on a gamebird feed and have no problem eating and moving the first 12 hours or so. Then over the next 12-48 hours they are dying.
The ones I took to the vet were still alive when dropped off. I wanted the vet to see how neurological they were. The vets had no idea and sent them off to the state labs.

So.....what if any egg transfered virus or bacterial infection strikes within 12 hours?
Worse yet, can this be from a problem in commercial feed? The other poster is not even close to me or my state and having the same problems. If this is feed related then their is a bad batch f feed out there and others will be having the same problem.

While I have not raised birds for years I have raised many other critters. I have had over 10 successful chicken and quail hatches and until now not lost any after the first 24 hours.
Most viral and bacterial infections seem to take days to weeks to develop and cause death.

Does anyone know of feed related problems can can cause neurological problems and death in less then 12 hours?​

 

[monarc23]

farrier! :

Mrs. AK-Bird-Brain :

Well, I watched the video, and they look like normal newborns to me. However, the newspaper is too slippery, and even paper towels can be... try the rubber shelf lining for the first week, changing it out daily. They spend the first day or two just getting their balance, and this stuff helps even splayed legged babies. This may not be your problem, per se, but it's what I observed from the video.
You may have already done this, but in case someone new to quail is reading this post, I'm going to add this... Give them lukewarm water, and ground up gamebird starter (highest non-medicated protein feed you can find) as soon as you put them in the brooder. Quail are not like chickens, and are ready to eat and drink like the little piranhas they are as soon as they pop out of the egg.

Lukewarm water, because they are so tiny that if they drink ice cold water they will lower their body temperatures drastically. Keep them at 100°F for the first week, and drop 5°F each week thereafter, more or less depending on their behavior. Change the water daily and clean the waterer, or more often if it gets too dirty from their food/poo. Keep their brooder in a draft-free area... a stable environment will help.
I will be curious to see if the lab comes back with anything... I almost hope so because then you'll know it wasn't something you did or didn't do, and because if it isn't something else, I don't know what else to try.

Please do keep us posted, OK?

They just keep getting worse from what was shown in the video. They finally are unable to upright themselves.
I have paper towels and have hatched out 3 hatches with no problem. I always give lukewarm water and even tried vitamins/electrolytes to the water. They are on a gamebird feed and have no problem eating and moving the first 12 hours or so. Then over the next 12-48 hours they are dying.
The ones I took to the vet were still alive when dropped off. I wanted the vet to see how neurological they were. The vets had no idea and sent them off to the state labs.

So.....what if any egg transfered virus or bacterial infection strikes within 12 hours?
Worse yet, can this be from a problem in commercial feed? The other poster is not even close to me or my state and having the same problems. If this is feed related then their is a bad batch f feed out there and others will be having the same problem.

While I have not raised birds for years I have raised many other critters. I have had over 10 successful chicken and quail hatches and until now not lost any after the first 24 hours.
Most viral and bacterial infections seem to take days to weeks to develop and cause death.

Does anyone know of feed related problems can can cause neurological problems and death in less then 12 hours?​

Those Chicks in D1's video though were really just slipping sure they could have been sick but newspaper isnt a great bedding for just born quail their bodies are a little too heavy for their light weight feet so add in slippy newspaper and you get lots of falling and not able to upright themselves quickly.

Yes feed can cause what looks like neurological issues, contaminated feed can cause seiuzures have never seen it in birds but have surely seen it in rabbits on contaminated feed.​

 

[farrier!]

I did talk to Purinia and their nutritionists are all out......

Looks like a long wait for the state lab.....

As mine started to have problems you could knock one over and it would thrash around and may or may not get up. Often it would never put it's legs under, just stayed on it's side.
If one was on it's side you could place it on it's feet and at first it could stay upright and walk around. Within an hour or so the same chick would just fall back over without taking a step.

 

[Mrs MIA]

You might try this - not saying it will/won't work, but it's worth a try - disolve a drop of honey in some lukewarm water and then use a Q-tip to apply the water to their beak so they can drink. If they seem to perk up perhaps their food is still too big for them and they're not getting the energy they need to thrive. Without the lab results, and with enough heat, it's the only thing I can think of.

 

[Whitehouse Quail]

Sounds like Ulcerative Enteritis or Cocidiosis.

 

[d1]

I am almost positive its not a feed issue with mine.

I feed/fed the same brand and bag to some older cotrunix in another brooder