I ordered from Ideal this go around, I like Welp better since no other hatchery can beat the price of 25 cornishx. But I ordered 10 straight run cornishx and 15 straight run red broilers! They sent the email and said Oct 13 is the ship out date! Good gracious that'll be cold outside! Oh well, DH said we needed to go ahead and order so we did. I'm not looking foward to the stinkies but with only 10 I think it'll be less stressful. The freedom rangers hopefully turn out well, because if they do I might have to start ordering more at a time!