I screwed up, what do I look for?

[Karilcole]

I received 22 shipped serama eggs, all but 1 had great air cells. I let them rest 24hrs then put them in the bator fat end up. I read on here that someone had shipped serama eggs, let them rest, put fat end up, never turned them & had great success. Thought I’d try it. We are on day 17 and some just look funny when candling. They’re still growing and have movement though. I fear some are stuck to the side of the shell bc I didn’t turn them.
Is there any way to know for sure if some are stuck? Are they just doomed or can a small amount of assistance help at all?
I apologize for the crappy pics. I had to take screenshots from my video. I think you can still see what I’m talking about.
Thanks!

 

[SilverBirds]

The last two pictures are dead, and the first two look behind for day 17. I'd say they are around day 15 development wise. I believe there is still a chance for them to hatch, you will just need to keep a close eye on them.

 

[Karilcole]

The last two pictures are dead, and the first two look behind for day 17. I'd say they are around day 15 development wise. I believe there is still a chance for them to hatch, you will just need to keep a close eye on them.

Guess I should’ve said that’s the same egg just turned. It still had movement at that last candling. What exactly am I looking for when keeping a close eye? If they’re stuck to the inside, can they still hatch successfully? The eggs I’ve hatched in the past (Brahma eggs from my flock) didn’t have any issues & I'm sure they didn’t look like some of these eggs when candling. (I also used an auto turner for those).

 

[SilverBirds]

Guess I should’ve said that’s the same egg just turned. It still had movement at that last candling. What exactly am I looking for when keeping a close eye? If they’re stuck to the inside, can they still hatch successfully? The eggs I’ve hatched in the past (Brahma eggs from my flock) didn’t have any issues & I'm sure they didn’t look like some of these eggs when candling. (I also used an auto turner for those).

With the way its developed I would say it's stuck to the side. Watch it to make sure it's still developing. I'm not sure if it will be able to internally pip but if it does, I would make it a safety hole as soon as you can. Here is a great article for assisted hatching.

 

[Altairsky]

My incubator doesn't have an automatic turner so the first time I incubated eggs I did some research and it was clear that the hatch rate of non turned eggs was extremely poor. The internet is full of misinformation so as a general rule, never trust a single source. Always check for multiple sources.
From the poultry industry papers that I've read back then, it is vital to turn the eggs especially between day 7 and day 12.
It would be informative to do an eggtopsy of the non hatched eggs. I've read that a stuck embryo tends to die early (10-16 day) but I never did the experiment myself.

 

[Karilcole]

With the way its developed I would say it's stuck to the side. Watch it to make sure it's still developing. I'm not sure if it will be able to internally pip but if it does, I would make it a safety hole as soon as you can. Here is a great article for assisted hatching.

Thank you so much for the article. Looks to be very helpful! 1 checked out so I cracked it open to look. Looks normal with the yolk attached. I will definitely know in the next few days!

 

[Karilcole]

My incubator doesn't have an automatic turner so the first time I incubated eggs I did some research and it was clear that the hatch rate of non turned eggs was extremely poor. The internet is full of misinformation so as a general rule, never trust a single source. Always check for multiple sources.
From the poultry industry papers that I've read back then, it is vital to turn the eggs especially between day 7 and day 12.
It would be informative to do an eggtopsy of the non hatched eggs. I've read that a stuck embryo tends to die early (10-16 day) but I never did the experiment myself.

My incubator doesn't have an automatic turner so the first time I incubated eggs I did some research and it was clear that the hatch rate of non turned eggs was extremely poor. The internet is full of misinformation so as a general rule, never trust a single source. Always check for multiple sources.
From the poultry industry papers that I've read back then, it is vital to turn the eggs especially between day 7 and day 12.
It would be informative to do an eggtopsy of the non hatched eggs. I've read that a stuck embryo tends to die early (10-16 day) but I never did the experiment myself.

Thank you for your reply. There is so much different info online & I read so many things. I will definitely be doing things a little different if I try seramas again. Today is day 19 & 11 are still moving. Guess I will know in the next few days!

 

[Altairsky]

If you want to try to do a safety hole, I would do it when I see eggs moving inside the incubator. When I did my safety holes I sadly was too late and the malpositioned chick had already suffocated. It was day 20.
I used a battery drill with the smallest tip I could buy (1 mm diameter). I used a tip for drilling iron.
I pushed the tip all the way inside the drill chuck, so it was no more than 5 mm long.
Be extremely careful when drilling eggs. It takes a lot of time to make a hole, don't rush. Take your time, drill, pause, look at the progress and drill again. I've read many topics here where someone drilled into a chick so if you decide to do a safety hole be super careful and make sure you know what you're doing. If you have doubts, don't do anything.

 

[Karilcole]

If you want to try to do a safety hole, I would do it when I see eggs moving inside the incubator. When I did my safety holes I sadly was too late and the malpositioned chick had already suffocated. It was day 20.
I used a battery drill with the smallest tip I could buy (1 mm diameter). I used a tip for drilling iron.
I pushed the tip all the way inside the drill chuck, so it was no more than 5 mm long.
Be extremely careful when drilling eggs. It takes a lot of time to make a hole, don't rush. Take your time, drill, pause, look at the progress and drill again. I've read many topics here where someone drilled into a chick so if you decide to do a safety hole be super careful and make sure you know what you're doing. If you have doubts, don't do anything.

Thank you! How would I know it’s time for a safty hole? I currently have them sitting upright, air cell up.

 

[Altairsky]

Hard to tell. In my case I had a few eggs moving around in the incubator on day 19. They didn't pip. I drilled a safety hole on day 20 but they weren't moving anymore. I was too late, 2 perfectly formed but malpositioned chicks died of suffocation.