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[youngchooklover]

Eggy

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:02 pm
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hi im after about a dozen fertile isa brown eggs


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Hermetic_Eggs

Post subject: Re: fertile isa brown eggs​

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:20 am​

Champion Bird

Joined: Wed May 04, 2011 9:39 pm
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i have some for sale but im only selling them with a pair of breeding unicorns

but seriously

you cant get fertile isa brown eggs.... as they are the genetic owned property of a multinational which is backed by the United Nations and enforced upon countries via trade sanctions and the International Egg Commission.

and anyone selling them to you are choking your chain.... at best they would be cross.


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virtualalex

Post subject: Re: fertile isa brown eggs​

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:37 am​

Proud Rooster

Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:43 pm
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Location: West Gippsland, Vic
Interested in the unicorns - pictures please!!

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Fee

Post subject: Re: fertile isa brown eggs​

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:04 pm​

Wise Gobbler

Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:11 pm
Posts: 3122
Location: Hamilton VIC
google canned unicorn meat - much easier way to get your unicorns than hunting them

http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/

yeah, it's true ISA Brown eggs will just be crosses, ISA browns are a commercial cross, you can buy the offspring, not the adult stock


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NTgirl

Post subject: Re: fertile isa brown eggs​

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:16 pm​

Clucky Hen

Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:49 pm
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Location: NT
You should be able to get day old chicks for a broody fairly easily from a pet shop or produce store, otherwise quite a few people grow commercial layers out and sell them at point of lay.

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virtualalex

Post subject: Re: fertile isa brown eggs​

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:10 pm​

Proud Rooster

Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:43 pm
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Location: West Gippsland, Vic

google canned unicorn meat - much easier way to get your unicorns than hunting them

http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/

No I'm after a female to replace the one I lost to a wild dragon a couple of months back. Happy to take the pair though.

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Barnywood

Post subject: Re: fertile isa brown eggs​

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:15 pm​

Proud Rooster

Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:39 pm
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Location: Port Pirie SA
Plenty of people run a good egg laying breed of rooster with their isa brown layers. These isa brown fertile eggs though only isa cross will still make really good laying hens. As for having some myself I can't help you but perhaps another can.
I have had isa cross rhode island red and the hens are great layers.


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Fee

Post subject: Re: fertile isa brown eggs​

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:05 pm​

Wise Gobbler

Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:11 pm
Posts: 3122
Location: Hamilton VIC
I believe the ISA browns are derived from Rhode Island Whites and Rhode Island Reds (hence the sex linked colour) so a Rhode Island would be a good cross for them.


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[donrae]

I think the OP is just very young and has a poor grasp of basic biology and reproduction, and has the young person's common flaw of always being right. I don't see anything we say changing that as OP doesn't seem interested in learning anything from these posts. Let him/her think they're right and go on with their "infertile" birds.

 

[aoxa]

What does that have to do with them being fertile or not? Yes the ISA brown is a closely guarded secret, but that doesn't mean they can not be bred.

 

[PotterWatch]

I think the OP is just very young and has a poor grasp of basic biology and reproduction, and has the young person's common flaw of always being right. I don't see anything we say changing that as OP doesn't seem interested in learning anything from these posts. Let him/her think they're right and go on with their "infertile" birds.

I agree. None of the reasonable and correct points people have posted have sunk in.

 

[Bunnylady]

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Post subject: Re: fertile isa brown eggs​

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:20 am​

Champion Bird

Joined: Wed May 04, 2011 9:39 pm
Posts: 1407
i have some for sale but im only selling them with a pair of breeding unicorns

but seriously

you cant get fertile isa brown eggs.... as they are the genetic owned property of a multinational which is backed by the United Nations and enforced upon countries via trade sanctions and the International Egg Commission.

and anyone selling them to you are choking your chain.... at best they would be cross.​

I assume this is the post that made you think that ISA browns aren't fertile. That isn't what Hermetic_Eggs said. What they said, or meant to say, is that the eggs that come from your ISA Brown chickens aren't going to produce birds that are "officially" ISA Browns. ISA Browns are the result of a specific cross and "official" ISA Browns can only come from the company that owns the rights to the name. You may buy birds that are ISA Browns and let them breed, but the resulting offspring won't be "official" ISA Browns.

 

[aoxa]

I assume this is the post that made you think that ISA browns aren't fertile. That isn't what Champion Bird said. What they said, or meant to say, is that the eggs that come from your ISA Brown chickens aren't going to produce birds that are "officially" ISA Browns. ISA Browns are the result of a specific cross and "official" ISA Browns can only come from the company that owns the rights to the name. You may buy birds that are ISA Browns and let them breed, but the resulting offspring won't be "official" ISA Browns.

What is the difference between ISA Browns and Red Sex Links. They look identical to me, and lay the same # of eggs a year according to Wikipedia (not reliable).

 

[sourland]

What is the difference between ISA Browns and Red Sex Links. They look identical to me, and lay the same # of eggs a year according to Wikipedia (not reliable).

ISA Browns are one of the many red sex link crosses.

 

[aoxa]

ISA Browns are one of the many red sex link crosses.

So it's a red sex link that is patented? That's it?

 

[Dreyadin]

The *NAME* is trademarked- and it is to a specific set blend of breeds to create this stable out crossing.
Hermetic_Eggs is right... but you are reading it wrong. They are NOT saying ISA Brown eggs are infertile- they are saying the eggs may not be legally sold as ISA's due to restrictions. (As in the eggs that hatch out to be ISA Browns have restrictions in place by the company that owns the trademark to that specific hybrid cross.)

Hybrid means nothing more than cross-breeding in this case. (They came about in the 1970's.. so GMO isn't an issue.)

It's fertile because both parents have the same amount of chromosomes as they are the same species. (ISA Browns are gallus gallus domestica... aka domestic chicken.)

Sterility starts becoming an issue when you cross parents with different amounts of chromosomes- as someone else pointed out a mule being a common one (horse has 64 chromosomes.. a donkey has 62... the offspring- mule has 63.) You actually encounter this very same thing when you get seedless watermelons, seedless cukes, seedless grapes, etc (triploids)... and the rare chance an offspring results from a guinea x chicken cross= guin-hens. Or... lion x tiger = lyger Zebra x donkey = zeedonk... etc. etc.

To be blunt.. ISA Browns are mutts (hybrids) with a carefully tracked lineage- and a trademark.

If you were to be able to replicate their crossings to produce the *same* result... you could not call them ISA Browns- the name is owned. The sellers of ISA browns buy the rights/ liscence to do so from the company that holds the trademark.

Example..(Sorry Aoxa using you for this... your birds are too stinkin' cute!)
Aoxa's little cutie pies (also pretending the ISA genetics are not in this as it is another potential legal problem.. so just play along XD)..

Let's say hypothetically their little F2 hybrid roo that they bred (just call him Gamble) got his own little band of Barred Rock babes. The chicks hatch out and they notice the females are white with a black spot on their head and the males are black with a white spot on their heads. Clutch after clutch.. same result. So.. Aoxa experiments again- breeds another roo with the same breed lineage as Gamble- crosses this new roo to BR hens... and the same chick coloration happens. More repeated experiments- same result. The chicks grow up to have similar traits. The key to this is Aoxa has stumbled upon a lineage combination that produces stable results.

Aoxa could apply for a patent/ trademark.. and name them Fuzzy Dice. No one else could sell "Fuzzy Dice" unless they bought the rights/ liscence from Aoxa- and all the fun restrictions they want to put on it. The lineage a "proprietary secret".. as long as Aoxa doesn't spill the beans.

They are hybrids. Aoxa crosses FD x FD and yields all kinds of goofy results. (This is what is going on with ISA's)

They could keep working with these crosses to stabilize the genetics. Aiming for a set conformation, coloring, & other characteristics. Eventually Aoxa could potentially create a stable strain after many generations... so that FD xFD = FD ... just like the parents. The result is they have created a new breed.

 

[aoxa]

The *NAME* is trademarked- and it is to a specific set blend of breeds to create this stable out crossing.
Hermetic_Eggs is right... but you are reading it wrong. They are NOT saying ISA Brown eggs are infertile- they are saying the eggs may not be legally sold as ISA's due to restrictions. (As in the eggs that hatch out to be ISA Browns have restrictions in place by the company that owns the trademark to that specific hybrid cross.)

Hybrid means nothing more than cross-breeding in this case. (They came about in the 1970's.. so GMO isn't an issue.)

It's fertile because both parents have the same amount of chromosomes as they are the same species. (ISA Browns are gallus gallus domestica... aka domestic chicken.)

Sterility starts becoming an issue when you cross parents with different amounts of chromosomes- as someone else pointed out a mule being a common one (horse has 64 chromosomes.. a donkey has 62... the offspring- mule has 63.) You actually encounter this very same thing when you get seedless watermelons, seedless cukes, seedless grapes, etc (triploids)... and the rare chance an offspring results from a guinea x chicken cross= guin-hens. Or... lion x tiger = lyger Zebra x donkey = zeedonk... etc. etc.

To be blunt.. ISA Browns are mutts (hybrids) with a carefully tracked lineage- and a trademark.

If you were to be able to replicate their crossings to produce the *same* result... you could not call them ISA Browns- the name is owned. The sellers of ISA browns buy the rights/ liscence to do so from the company that holds the trademark.

Example..(Sorry Aoxa using you for this... your birds are too stinkin' cute!)
Aoxa's little cutie pies (also pretending the ISA genetics are not in this as it is another potential legal problem.. so just play along XD)..

Let's say hypothetically their little F2 hybrid roo that they bred (just call him Gamble) got his own little band of Barred Rock babes. The chicks hatch out and they notice the females are white with a black spot on their head and the males are black with a white spot on their heads. Clutch after clutch.. same result. So.. Aoxa experiments again- breeds another roo with the same breed lineage as Gamble- crosses this new roo to BR hens... and the same chick coloration happens. More repeated experiments- same result. The chicks grow up to have similar traits. The key to this is Aoxa has stumbled upon a lineage combination that produces stable results.

Aoxa could apply for a patent/ trademark.. and name them Fuzzy Dice. No one else could sell "Fuzzy Dice" unless they bought the rights/ liscence from Aoxa- and all the fun restrictions they want to put on it. The lineage a "proprietary secret".. as long as Aoxa doesn't spill the beans.

They are hybrids. Aoxa crosses FD x FD and yields all kinds of goofy results. (This is what is going on with ISA's)

They could keep working with these crosses to stabilize the genetics. Aiming for a set conformation, coloring, & other characteristics. Eventually Aoxa could potentially create a stable strain after many generations... so that FD xFD = FD ... just like the parents. The result is they have created a new breed.

You're new around here, and I am surprised by your vast knowledge!

I also love how you word things. I hope to see you around more. Thank you for taking the time to explain all that.

If I ever bought ISA browns I would call them Pennies.. That's what I call that hybrid for the layers we get here. The feed store only calls them brown layer hybrids. I have so many, that I just call them all Penny and "my Pennies".