I think I want frizzles.

[ILOVEFRIZZLES]

I talked to another person that breed for years frizzle to frizzle first generation and did not get a frazzle. Everyone say no but has anyone breed one and know what the parents where. Or did they get one at auction or got one form someone with a ton of chicks in there back yard. All generation mixed together. I also said not to breed a smooth for more then 3 generation. No one has ever said anything about that. Please if anyone has breed one and had both parent. And know what there parent where let me know and pic if have any.

 

[nzpouter]

Yes you will get frazzles, just a simple 25-50-25, this is noodle, he was an F1 x F1 we rescued, original cross were frizzle roo (bred to UK frizzle standard and silkie hens), offsprings then mated back to each other.... and voila, frazzle.

 

[nzpouter]

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Yes.. well, where I am. Frizzle is a breed of their own here, they come in bantam and large.

standard roo

bantam hen

frazzle bantam roo

 

[SoccerMomof7]

I want standard size, and the only eggs I can find are bantam!

 

[ILOVEFRIZZLES]

Were both parent frizzle and you breed it to a frizzle. Do you know the generation of frizzle the birds has. And did you look at the web site I post the did a study on this. It is hard to not believe a university.

 

[Guitartists]

Interesting stuff in that article. Skin graphs and everything

I can understand about breeding first generation Frizzles to other Frizzles.. I think most just err on the side of caution since they don't usually know the background of their Frizzles. I have what might be a Curly roo and my hens are non-frizzled, but should carry a part of the gene as they are from Frizzled parentage. I haven't bred them yet, so I am unsure as to what I will get.

 

[amazondoc]

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That paper doesn't say anything that contradicts the admonition against breeding frizzle to frizzle.

In summary, here's what it does say:

There are two major genes involved with frizzling. One gene is the frizzle gene itself (F), which is an incomplete dominant. The other gene is a modifier (mf), which is a recessive. The mf gene decreases the effect of the F gene. Therefore, if a bird has both one copy of F and also has mf, the bird may LOOK normal even though it has the F gene. This is called a "smooth" frizzle.

Here's a direct quote from the page that Ilovefrizzles cited:

"Un-modified homozygotes have the rachis extremely recurved in all feathers. The barbs are much curled. No feather has a flat vane, and all are narrow. As a result, the adult in full plumage has a somewhat woolly appearance. The feathers are broken off by the crowding of the birds at night and by the treading of the males in the breeding season. Consequently, the homozygotes frequently appear quite bare in the summer. "

As we've all been saying -- breeding frizzle to frizzle tends to produce birds with extremely frizzled, brittle feathers. The mf gene complicates the picture, but the basic problem is still there.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

It is hard to not believe a university.

The problem, though is the age of the referenced work. There has been a tremendous amount of newer genetic knowledge acquired in the last 60 years.

I am not personally disputing the study, but most folks don't take the time to read and try to understand. So I commonly see remarks and comments where people say that frizzle itself is recessive or that a bird can hide the gene. They confuse and intermingle their understanding of the two separate genes that relate to frizzling.​

 

[meriruka]

Chenille:

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

I had a big (standard) red "frizzle" rooster awhile back. He was so cool he was the kind where the feathers curl all the way around instead of just up or out, he was absolutely beautiful.