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I want to Hatching my own meat birds

Others have offered very good explanations, I would just elaborate slightly, that this is a basic genetic breeding principle for almost anything you choose to breed (animals, plants etc.).

Its a true numbers game. The real key to any breeding program is good breeding stock of stable genetic speciemens (ie, very true breeding birds, with little to no variance from the original parents) Once you have a male, female selected, its just a matter of growing out MANY offsprings of the two parents, then selecting based on what characteristics you are looking for (fast growers, large breast, etc). The real key here is LARGE numbers, you would really need several thousand offsprings to choose from, selecting maybe 25 out of several thousand(these would be your F1 hybrids) first generation, then you would back cross over and over each time doing detailed selection for the characteristics that you are seeking. The real trick is to develop a "stable" cross that breeds true each time. This is a very long process, and requires LARGE numbers of offsprings to get true good selections from each generation, you are looking for a needle in a haystack so to speak. You are selecting for a specefic gennetic charateristic, and then trying to bring out that characteristic over and over without other less desireable characteristic showing up in the next generation. Its a fun project, but no home breeder has the space, time, money, or experience to come even close to breeding something like the cornish Xs you get from large scale breeders.
 
I am not sure it is *quite* as grim as all that, if you are content to be a backyarder rather than a commercial producer. A) you can survive your chickens growing slower -- the idea is to select for a strain that grows as fast and meaty as YOU can get them to grow, not as fast as multi-kajillion-dollar corporations can get strains to grow. And B) it is reasonably OK that you will have a lot more variation in your strain than there is in commercial hybrid broilers, because at home you do not have the pressure to have them all finish at exactly the same time and size.

So I mean, I think there are two possible ways of approaching the problem. If you approach it as "I wish to homebrew something that will duplicate the results you get from commercial CornishX broiler chicks" then you are totally doomed. However, if you approach it as "I want to work on a strain of chickens wherein every year does better as meat birds than last year's flock" that probably IS a reasonable goal. Remember that supermarket chicken body type, growth rate etc is a pretty new phenomenon, maybe, what, 50 yrs old?, and before that people got along quite happily with other things selected for meat production. Not as big, not as fast, not as efficient... but a whole big lot better than eating leghorns
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JMO,

Pat
 
Again my many thanks friends. As a biologist I figured the genetics were protected some how. Makes me wonder how so many hatcheries get Cornish X chicks to sell. Ok Well I can live with less meat and speed of growth in trade for quality and pride. My plan therefor is a good standard cornish rooster then setting some eggs under a couple broody hens each year. That should give me 10 or 15 good young chickens to butcher at the end of the season. For me chickens are all about enjoying your birds and producing some meat and eggs too. I now look forward to trying my new ideas stimulated by good advice from friends here. Thanks!
 
Mike, you might find some of the info in this other thread helpful.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=81918&p=1

There are a lot of people working on non-mass-produced meat birds for home use. Sustainable birds, which is what it sound like you want. You might do well with keeping two breeds, some purebred standard Cornish to use the roos over other breeds of hens, such as Delaware, (which was a choice meat bird before the Cornish X) Dorking, Barred Rock, or some other. To replace your purebreds, you'd either have to have a source for a few new birds from time to time, or keep more than one flock, or separate roos as needed. You'd have to keep the roos you didn't want breeding a a particular time, penned away from the others for up to 6 weeks at a time, but that might not be that hard to do. Easier than keeping entirely separate flocks.

I free range my birds, so that's the point of view I'm working from. I have areas where I can separate birds from the flock as needed, so when I want to hatch eggs from a particular hen or group of hens, I put them in the isolation pen for a few days until I have as many eggs as I want to hatch. I can let them out with the others after I get the eggs for the day, take them off the roosts and put them back in the "iso-pen" when I close them up for the night.
 
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There are a small number of giant big breeder 'farms' that produce the eggs. If you want them on a commercial scale, like many thousands, you can buy 'em too (actually I dunno - at least here in Ontario you need some sort of license or permit to have more than 100 CornishX chicks, I think, but you know what I mean)

I have heard that Cornish are not always the most fertile breed, partly because of their conformation not being ideal for, ah, consummation of mating. Don't know from personal experience, though planning on getting some next year to try.

Good luck and have fun,

Pat
 
Cornish X's may have trouble mating because they're so big and fat. Purebred standard Cornish are not the same, they're normal chickens, vigorous, healthy, and can mate just fine.
 
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I'm sure it is standard and bantam Cornish that I've heard it about, since I have never heard of anyone trying to keep a CornishX for breeding purposes in the first place
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(I am sure someone has done it, just haven't heard of it). Specifically what I'd heard was that because of the very wide width between the legs, in this breed, they have some trouble getting into the proper position or staying there for long enough and thus tend to have a lower % fertile eggs than other breeds.

As I say, I have no personal experience of it but having heard it more than once thought it might be useful to pass along.

Pat
 
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Mike-
There are several of us here who are working on "ressurecting" the true Dual Purpose chicken..... decent egg layers, early maturing, and decent table meat birds as well. We want the sustainability and dependability that our grandparents had in their flocks.

Most are using Heritage Breeds, and breeding within their breed of choice for closest to the Old Fashioned standards. Some of us are intentionally hybridizing several breeds together for the qualities we want.

Either way, it's worth doing. Try doing a search on here for Dual Purpose birds, and you'll find many of the projects some of us have undertaken.

Good Luck!!
Kathy
 

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